East Enders

I was listening to the BBC News channel this morning and apparently British Soaps pride themselves on dealing with taboo or difficult subjects. Postpartum Psychosis was quoted and has been dealt with recently by the soap East Enders.

David Bowie and Abstinence

Here is an interview from 1999. It is about 16 minutes long, but if you move forward to 4.55 minutes into the interview you can hear him give his opinions about the importance of abstinence. It is pretty hard to watch this and still conclude that Bowie didn't consider himself to be an alcoholic or that he wasn't, at that stage a least, a member of a 12 Step Program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiK7s_0tGsg

Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah

Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah
Here I am at Camp Orange Granada
OPF is very entertaining
And they say we’ll have some fun if they stop complaining

I went blogging with Mindless Nirvana
He developed a great persona
You remember Gunt2K
He went all kamikaze on us one day

All the Orangies hate the Steppers
And the OPF has nothing but whiners
And the head Fuhrer is obsessed with Nazis
So he reads to us from his Papers

How many of the OPF Orangies are clean and/or sober?

5%
100% (1 vote)
0%
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 1

TheFix.com has identified 10 people that you meet in an AA/12 Step meeting. Which type do you see the most?

The AA Topper who believes his addiction was worse than anyone else.
0% (0 votes)
The AA Equal Opportunity Addict who goes to many different types of 12 Step meetings such as Sexaholics Anonymous
0% (0 votes)
The AA Philanderer who justy goes to 12 Step meetings to meet people of the opposite sex
0% (0 votes)
The AA Pink Cloud that believes everything is wonderful in life after joining 12 Step chanting
0% (0 votes)
The AA Mandatory Attendee who was coerced by the legal system, licensing bureau or employer
0% (0 votes)
The AA Constant Relapser who follows the 12 Step slogan of "Keep Coming Back"
0% (0 votes)
The AA Proceed With Caution Guy who comes to the 12 Step meetings to find friends to get drunk with
0% (0 votes)
The AA Catch Phrase Guy who constantly uses the 12 Step slogans
33% (1 vote)
The AA Invisible Man who goes to the meetings but doesn't participate
0% (0 votes)
The AA Pro who claims to know all of the rules of 12 Step meetings
0% (0 votes)
Other - any other people you meet in AA 12 Step meetings - explain in comments
67% (2 votes)
Total votes: 3

Games Alcoholics Play by Eric Berne M. D.

The Game Alcoholic Play By Eric Berne . Page 1 ALL games have an important and probably decisive influence on the destinies of the players under ordinary social conditions; but some offer more opportunities than others for lifelong careers and are more likely to involve relatively innocent bystanders. This group may be conveniently called Life Games. It includes "Alcoholic," "Debtor," "Kick Me," "Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch," "See What You Made Me Do" and their principal variants. T hey merge• on the one side with marital games, and on the other with those of the underworld.

What about sexual predation, screwed up minds, control freaks and the high incidence of suicide, has anyone heard of that on a TV program about AA?

Yes, TV programs promoting AA are always full of the true facts about the 12 step program
0% (0 votes)
In a word....NO
100% (4 votes)
Total votes: 4

Has anybody heard on TV that AA has a 3 to 5 % success rate

Yes, TV programs promoting AA are always full of the true facts about the 12 step program?
25% (1 vote)
In a word....NO
75% (3 votes)
Total votes: 4

Has anybody heard on TV that its jails, institutions or death for them if they leave AA?

Yes, TV programs promoting AA are always full of the true facts about the 12 step program
0% (0 votes)
In a word....NO
100% (1 vote)
Total votes: 1

I’m An Alcoholic: My Name is……Channel 5 10pm Wednesday 13/01/2016

This program was shown last night on British mainstream television, but once again I think this program is of monumental importance to the whole Anti 12 Step Movement and not just fellow British victims of the stepper cult and as such needs to be included on the main OPF blog, as opposed to the being restricted to British forum. This TV Program, as the title totally suggests, was just a promotion to get more people to join the stepper cult, much the same as I was advised to attend the stepper cult by a well meaning, but ignorant of the true facts, Doctor in the 1980’s.

A story about the 'disease'. Is it or isn't it?

letter to ops:

Reading comments on here from people going through terrible addictions and knowing how terrible it has been for me... I used so much cocaine and alcohol at one time that I abandon my family to it for a year! Was homeless, went to the needle, etc. I finally reached out for help and AA got shoved down my throat but I remember what a terrible situation that was as well as times I "relapsed" in AA.

AA Lies … Otherwise Known as ‘The Promises’

AA Lies … Otherwise Known as ‘The Promises’
Posted by 12 Step Cult Religion Exposed on January 9, 2015 in 12 Step Truth - Dangerous Cult, AA Murder, Advise, Controversy, Dead People, Drug addiction, Family, Fanatical Religious Shitbags, Scared Straight, Truth regarding Alcoholics Anonymous
Have you ever heard the Promises of AA? They are one of many sets of lies available to every disciple.

Why is the Stepper Cult Anonymous?

To protect the true identity of people with the disease of alcoholism (if you believe that you'll believe anything LOL)
0% (0 votes)
They don't want anybody to know they constantly woffle on about this 12 step nonsense
0% (0 votes)
They dont want anybody to know they practice the strange practices of a 1930's cult
0% (0 votes)
They dont want anybody to know they 'hold hands and chant' in secret
67% (2 votes)
They want to 'boss' frightened vulnerable victims about in secret
0% (0 votes)
They want to prey on vulnerable victims of the opposite sex (they cant lose their virginity in normal society)
0% (0 votes)
They want to prey on vulnerable victims of the same sex (they cant lose their virginity in normal society either)
0% (0 votes)
Some other reason which they don't want anybody to know about
33% (1 vote)
Total votes: 3

David Bowie 1947 -2016 RIP

Just heard as the main headline on the BBC News at breakfast, that David Bowie has died after losing his battle with cancer. In my opinion not only was he the 'Best British Artist of all time (and that includes the Beatles), but he was the 'Best Artist' of all time full stop. I believe that Heaven will be a much better place with him in it and sadly this earthy place will be much worse.

The Orange art of JR making stuff up

Well if Buchman met with Himmler who was the 2nd in command in NAZI Germany, it could be surmised....
http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/122954#comment-122954

Hold on there cowboy. Herman Göring was the 2nd in command of Nazi Germany.

From the Nuremberg trial in 1946...............

The Last Stop

A friend of mine is making a documentary called "the Last Stop " it is about Elan - It can be triggering to people that experienced this type of abuse as therapy. It went up yesterday, the first time I saw it a few hours ago -it made me cry. I had to call up my friend and and thank him - this is the trailer for his film. It is good to see Mary and Doug who were in there with me during my time. Miai Salavitz is in this also. Gird yourself - it is intense.

Systematic Gang Stalking manual of Alcoholics Anonymous "When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him." page 90 of the AA gang stalking manual commonly called "The Big Book" Chapter 7 "Working with Others"

Chapter 7 of the book Alcoholics Anonymous teaches members of AA the proper way to gang stalk those they methodically target for assimilation and training of new gang stalkers that they call Sponsees. Once the AA Sponcee it trained they are expected to become gang stalkers identified as AA Sponsors. Chapter 7 of the AA "Big Book" is entitled "Working with Others" and as the title suggests the chapter explains how to gang stalk AA prospects.

CNN Article: Loving and losing an addict

Loving and losing an addict

By Barbara Theodosiou

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/opinions/theodosiou-addicts-mom/index.html

This is a story to be aware of. A mother who lost a child to drug addiction is trying to start a new organization or movement. I wish her luck.

The SYNANON Chuck Dederich and Alcoholics Anonymous Bill Wilson Ouija Board association and similarity.

It is known by many that Bill Wilson moved to Stepping Stones on April 11, 1941 and had a "Spook Room" where he "held séances and practiced with a Ouija board" (http://www.barefootsworld.net/aasteppingstones.html).

What is the success rate of the Orange Papers Forum

95%. The OPF is successful in keeping most orangies angry, hateful and full of resentments
100% (1 vote)
100%. The OPF is successful in keeping all orangies angry, hateful and full of resentments
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 1

AA, Bill WIlson and LSD

I think that you will find this article a good read. I pretty much agree with the authors main point. (Although I don't think that there is anything beautiful about LSD Delusions.) http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?smlid=4189

Let's put the Alcoholics Anonymous "Spiritual, not Religious" word games to rest. Besides Alcoholics Anonymous what other movement claims to be "Spiritual, not Religious" and what Religious organization claims to be "NOT" Spiritual?

Let's put the Alcoholics Anonymous "Spiritual, not Religious" word games to rest. Besides Alcoholics Anonymous what other movement claims to be "Spiritual, not Religious" and what Religious organization claims to be NOT "Spiritual" but Religious? No such organization exits for the latter except for the SBNR movements and I can only find one for the first...

3/4-way houses

WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE NOT RECOVER? BECAUSE THEY'RE TOLD THEY CAN'T.

Re: another excellent article by Dr. Stanton Peele https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/addiction-in-society/201512/is-addict... What do these topics- Addiction and PTSD- have in common? Other than the mistake of 'casting the net too wide,' they have other relevant features in common: Human Nature, Standards, and Expectations.

Could the Johova's Witnesses cope with Janus

she's already been a member of a cult & would fit right in.
0% (0 votes)
Nah she's too out there, the elders 'ud reject her
0% (0 votes)
No, Scientology would be a better fit
0% (0 votes)
Doors aren't that strong, they'd never stand up to the punishment
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 0

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