"Susan and God" a 1940 a comedy-drama film released by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer about a woman based on the Oxford Group that spawned AA.

Source on Orange Papers main site-
"It turns out that MGM made a movie that satirized Dr. Frank Buchman's Oxford Group / Moral Re-Armament cult back in 1940, called "Susan and God" http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters99.html#Susan_and_God

Youtube Source: Published on Dec 31, 2013

Some Important Differences Between Alcoholics Anonymous and Christianity

Several of the Twelve Steps of AA refer to "God" or a “Higher Power”. The program encourages you to seek the assistance of this "Higher Power" in order to free yourself from so-called alcoholism. And AA says things in a way that reminds people of principles in the Bible. (This is one of the things that fool many who believe in Jesus Christ.)

Mission Statement?

"The reason for the existence of the forum is to make it possible for people to help each other to get over both alcohol abuse and cult religion. Anything that defeats that purpose is counter-productive, and can hurt people, and that can't go on." ~Orange

Maybe an open appeal to Orange might work?

Please only post here if you want Orange to get rid of Jim Battle, and only post once so it will accurately show numbers. Don't post on this thread if you want Jim Battle to stay. It might cause confusion and exaggerate the numbers against him.

"Recovery"- Local Style

Shortly after I moved to this area nearly ten years ago, the first person I met was an older guy- “Gene” was 50 years old, clean and sober, and participated in a Program.

Jim Battle's Best week on OPF

It's been a ripper, there was a week around christmass that's hard to top but I believe the mans done it it this week, a few other occaisions he's been close to a melt-down or gone a bit mindless but for sheer idiocy,miss truths, heartlessness, meanness of spirit not to mention a flood of spam, oh nearly forgot childishness this weeks been best effort yet. A more failed preacher much less christian you'll never see.

Is Jim Battle suffering from untreated syphilis?

0% (0 votes)
25% (1 vote)
Only explanation for his behaviour
75% (3 votes)
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 4

Who Do You Believe Is Causing Problems On This Forum?

A} - Christians
40% (2 votes)
B} - Atheists
20% (1 vote)
C} - Anti-theists
40% (2 votes)
Total votes: 5

Atheism is NOT Causing Any Problems on This Forum and Neither is Christianity

The religion called "atheism" is not causing any problems on this forum and neither is Christianity. Why do I say this? Because atheism is simply disbelief in the existence of any gods, including the God that has provided proof of His existence. And many atheists even openly deny the existence of any God or gods. However, this has never caused the kind of disruption that we see taking place these days on the OPF. The disruption we see is being caused by a small group of members whose religion is "anti-theism".

Is Nothing Sacred?... Alcoholics Anonymous

Here is a photo of Robin Williams at an AA meeting.

Bill W. schizophrenia?

I once suffered from alcoholism, but people are not so wise to the fact that I suffer also from schizophrenia, split personality. I have a personality say as a patriarch of A.A., founding father, if you like, and I also have a personality as an A.A. member and between these personalities is a terrific gulf.

Robin Williams -- Parkinson’s Disease

In light of the disclosure today that Robin Williams was in the early stages of Parkinson’s Disease, it would seem that Janus’s cold, callous, disrespectful, unkind and intrinsically stepper cult-serving speculation yesterday that “... Robin Williams' financial crisis, not to mention his fading career and lifelong depression should...be held responsible for his death...” was as premature and off-base as it was all the other things I’ve called that speculation. As I said earlier, great self-revelation job, Janus. Anything to save stepper cult face, as always...

Should We Say "Rest In Peace" When Someone Commits Suicide?

Here is why I believe that Rolf's "RIP Mork" message is very dangerous. RIP means "Rest In Peace". Rolf obviously believes that Robin Williams has escaped his depression (and all other problems) by committing suicide. However, this (indirectly) encourages others to believe that they too can escape all of their problems the same way.

I know that Rolf is saying that what Robin did is a very sad thing, and I agree. However, I would not encourage others to do the same by sending the message that this is a way to find everlasting peace.

Inventory Taking

Inventory taking is not supposed to be an exercise in self-flagellation. An inventory is simply a list of what is there.

When you take an inventory of the contents of your house you simply list what is there - bookcase, chairs, table etc. You don't beat yourself up about how ugly your bookcases or hate yourself because your chairs are cheap. People who are prone to beat themselves up will of course find any excuse to do so. Something they could put on their inventory is 'a tendency to beat myself up. The process should be done with detachment.

1952 News: Bill Wilson brings amazing spiritual experience.

Buffalo Courier Express, May 31, 1952

Norman Vincent Peale tells the story about Bill Wilson's "strange power" to cure alcoholism.

"That man in Brooklyn was un-
known then; he is famous now as
'Bill,' the founder of Alcoholics
Anonymous. He talked to my friend
from the waterfront about his theory
that people who had been through
the same problem could help each

And then Bill said, "but, most
important, you have got to put your
trust in a Higher Power."

Robin Williams

I sadly note the passing of Robin Williams, dead from suicide. Now there is another guy who
had major drug and alcohol problems, and he seemed to have beaten them, but didn't beat the depression.
Chronic depression is a major problem for so many, from Bill Wilson to Robin Williams.

"Secular and Sober: Beating Alcoholism Without AA" Ellenbeth Wachs Anti-AA activist. March 2011 - 78,681 views as of Aug. 13, 2014

Uploaded on May 1, 2011

(note: this video was originally released in March 2011 as part of the "In Your Words" series. It has been re-formatted, re-titled and re-uploaded for greater accessibility to viewers relating to the issues of substance abuse and the relevance of Alcoholics Anonymous.)

Does Alcoholics Anonymous provide help and hope to addicts, or is the constant reliance on a Higher Power a crutch to keep the addicted from finding true solutions.

Video Clip Shows A Famous God-hating Scientist Lying About Jesus Christ

Richard Dawkin's (a scientist and very popular God-hater) wrote a Book called "The God Delusion". In this book, he wrote that historians are arguing over whether or not Jesus actually existed. However, Professor John Lennox told him that he had talked to the historians and that this is not true. Professor Lennox then asked him why he would write something like this (knowing it wasn't true).

AA + Sobriety = Sobriety

If the path to sobriety is to abstain from alcohol while going to AA and practicing the steps, then what is AA adding to the equation. Zero.


Now that the facts have emerged about Robin Williams' financial crisis, not to mention his fading career and lifelong depression should AA be held responsible for his death?

Sharon says that "Jim Babble's links are FULL of viruses." For which of the following reasons is she telling this lie.

A) - Because "Jim Babble" deserves it.
50% (3 votes)
B) - Because she is afraid that someone might read what "Jim Babble" is writing and find out it is true.
17% (1 vote)
C) - Because she thought that "Jim Babble" would not find out since he does not read her comments.
0% (0 votes)
D) - Both B and C.
33% (2 votes)
E) - All of the above.
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 6

Robin Williams

I liked Robin Williams and I hope he at last finds the peace he deserves. Sadly missed across the world

What makes Anti Stepper Cult people LEAVE this forum?

NoAAUK's rabid exposure of the false stepper cult
30% (3 votes)
The constant bickering and insults by Anti Steppers directed at other Anti Steppers
60% (6 votes)
Alternative cult promotional posts by steppers
10% (1 vote)
Total votes: 10

God, "Recovery", and Science

We have all heard of "evolution" (the idea that man came from an ape-like creature). This is also called "macro-evolution". However, it is not really science. It is simply a religious belief that is presented as science. Why? To trick people (like AA does) into accepting their religious beliefs. And there are thousands of real scientists with PhDs who know that evolution is not true. However, because most people (wrongly) believe that most scientists are looking for the truth they believe whatever most scientists say.

CAFETY (Community Alliance for the Ethical Treatment of Youth) website hacked August 9, 2014. New hosting has been quickly put in place. Help to stop the proliferation of Child Gulags and spread the word that CAFETY is still up and running.

Currently the main website of http://cafety.org has been hacked by unknown individuals and is down. During this temporary outage all queries have been sent to their Facebook page of https://www.facebook.com/CAFETY. The following is from their twitter account asking for help.

Community Alliance @CAFETY · Aug 9

Website hacked down, you can help us bring it back up! If you believe we should keep going, please help keep us... http://fb.me/6naWzENFo

Why I will never respond to a Jim Battle post? again?

Why? I wish to remain sober. Those who respond to jim battle will most likely get drunk. Why? Its because you cant make a simple decision?. Soberman

The Strange Death of Sam Kinison (The Famous Comedian, Ex-Cocaine Misuser, and Ex-Preacher)

There are several articles on different websites that tell this strange story of the famous Sam Kinison's death. I recommend you read the whole story but here is the part I want to share: "On Friday April 10, 1992 about 7:30 pm, Kinison and his wife were driving in a Pontiac Trans-am from Los Angeles to Laughlin, Nevada where he was going to perform before a sold out audience. He was sober and drug free. Behind his car was his brother Bill and two other assistants in a van with Kinison’s dog.

Robin Williams: What Does the Word of God Have to Say?

Without Christ, Robin Williams may have been powerless over devils (evils spirits) IF one or more was speaking to him in his mind, (Acts 5:3; Luke 11:24-26). And, according to the Word of God, he WAS living a life of surrender, which the Word of God calls "yielding", (Romans 6:13). He was surrendering to "unrighteousness", which means he was surrendering to doing things that he should not have been doing, (Romans 6:13). So maybe he DID need to hear a message of powerless, but not over drugs and alcohol.


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