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AA Step 3:Does “ God as we understand Him” Exist?.

Made a decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of a “ God as we understand Him” . Does “ God as we understand Him” Exist? William Lane Craig: Plays the the roll Big Bill of AA Stephen Law: Plays the role of Sober-man William Lane Craig vs. Stephen Law Big Bill of AA vs Sober-man Read more: If you wish? Soberman

75 yrear old homicide victim in Austin Texas AA Area 68 District 3B/3C knew his alledged murderer in AA for seven years - Alledged murderer also faces endangering victim’s grandson

Man charged with endangering victim’s grandson now murder suspect

KVUE 7:03 p.m. CST December 4, 2015

AUSTIN – The day after police charged a man with endangering a homicide victim's grandson, police have confirmed Friday that the same man is the suspect of the grandfather's death.

"We do believe Mr. Pentland is a suspect in the death of Philip Liberty," said Austin Police Lt. Justin Newsom. Liberty, 75, was found dead in his northwest Austin home in November.


MacPHisto. Any Blog about Alcoholism would be incomplete without Richard Burton.

Who started the Spiritual, but not Religious (SBNR) Movement?

Bill Wilson, a bunch of drunks and the US Judiciary started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
40% (2 votes)
The Pope started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
0% (0 votes)
The Dali Lama started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
0% (0 votes)
Buddha started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
20% (1 vote)
Allah started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
0% (0 votes)
L. Ron Hubbard started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
0% (0 votes)
Satan started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
20% (1 vote)
God started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement.
0% (0 votes)
Other - Someone else started the Spiritual, but not Religious Movement - explain in comments.
20% (1 vote)
Total votes: 5

What is a 'dry drunk?'

A drunk who carries an umberla when they stagger home drunk from the pub in the rain
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A drunk who doesn’t answer the call of nature at the local river or reservoir...hence doesn’t fall in and get wet
0% (0 votes)
A drunk who dosen't p*(&^%$ the bed, when they have too much booze
0% (0 votes)
A sober person who doesn’t woffle on about 'working the 12 steps' when they stop drinking
50% (3 votes)
Other- please comment
50% (3 votes)
Total votes: 6

Godwin's Law and calling people Nazis

Here's a good blurb on arguments that degenerate into people calling others Nazis, but the author of "Godwin's Law".

What this doesn't quite address is the situations where people really are acting like Nazis, or promoting a Nazi philosophy.

Solar Farm will suck up all the sun

This is off the wall: A town in North Carolina rejected plans for a solar farm because they feared that the solar farm would "suck up all of the sun", and stop plants from growing, and cause cancer.

The kicker is that the local SCIENCE TEACHER "feared the proposed solar ranch could hinder photosynthesis -- the process of converting light energy from the sun into chemical energy for fuel -- in the area and stop plants from growing."

The frightening thing is, those people are still allowed to vote.

Does happiness itself directly affect mortality? The prospective UK Million Women Study

I am just wondering if this study contradicts earlier posts about the placebo effect. It has been said that that people with Faith are Happier and therefore Healthier. I remember a post by Janus which she said "Faith has great power". She also posted "So faith is in many cases as effective as medication"



Lets talk about the AA God as we understand Him

William Lane Craig: Big Bill– Opening Speech Big Bill: Good Evening! I want to begin by thanking MC Grads for inviting me to participate in tonight's debate. And I want to say what a privilege it is to be debating so eminent a scholar as Professor Curley. When I was a doctoral student writing my dissertation on the cosmological argument for God's existence, Dr. Curley's work on the famous philosopher Benedict de Spinoza was a valuable resource to me in trying to analyze Spinoza's own argument for God. So it's a genuine honor to be sharing the podium with Dr. Curley tonight.

Carlbrook School closes, something for Not in Kansas anymore

I believe Nika had some interest in this place - whether or not they will see this- one can hope - I posted it in the forums under Cults -the continuing saga -section and it doesn't appear to be showing up on the front page of the OPF.

Why is God rarely, if ever, mentioned when promoting AA in the Media?

God is not relevant except for being totally fundamental in recovery by AA's 12 steps
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Perhaps people might think AA is some sort of religious cult as opposed to a support group for substance abusers
100% (4 votes)
Especially if it is also mentioned that both Bill W and Doctor Bob were both former members of the Oxford group religious cult
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If you admit to listening to voices in your head for guidence, people might think you are some kind of nutjob
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as opposed to some selfless, beautiful, highly spritually developed and caring person
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and then call in the men in white coats with straight jackets
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Some other reason, please specify in comments
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Total votes: 4

Stepper Cult Promotion

a quick scan of recent comments will reveal that many people do not like Janus' posts. I must admit she gets up my nose often and I am far from her biggest fan. But at least Janus is honest and does not try to hide her preoccupation with spiritual development.

Recovery Road - January 25 at 9pm/8c on ABC Familly

January 25 at 9pm/8c on ABC Familly

Please some one Help, I need some Info?

I have a friend who rents a room in a boarding House. He has no education, work skills, and is at his wits end. All his room mates at the rooming house do heroin and other drugs, and he has been hospitalized for it, but he just goes out and does it again. On his Obama health care card, he can only go to a 12 step rehabs. He went to AA/NA before and it failed him. His living situation is sort of desperate on he just wanted to go there to get away from all the madness of the Boarding house, has no family or no one else to go to.

"The Power of Faith and Prayer?" Do the 12 Commandments of Bill Wilson Work?

The Power of Faith and Prayer?

Posted by Steven Novella on August 3, 2011 47 Comments

The tour from Hell: Jerry Garcia's final days

This is a fascinating, and also very sad, story. Personally, I was a Dead-head for a lot of years, and they were my favorite band. It's sad but revealing to see Jerry going through the same addiction and denial routine so many of us have been through. How human we all are.

Yahoo has a negative cash value

Here is a wild one: Wall Street pundits rate the value of Yahoo at a NEGATIVE $13 billion.

How can that be? See:

Timothy Leary, guru fraud.

A bit dry to watch, put there is a cheap thrill if you stick it out to the end.

Reading here from when I was new.

Just feeling very grateful to keep feeling more and more sane after leaving AA/NA. I no longer need a group to help me manage my life. I have friends and family who adore me and we have a lot of fun together. I also enjoy that voice in my head. The enemy is no longer in between my ears! What relief! Leave today and get normal! It's much more fun being a "normy"!

Has anyone actually heard mention on ANY version of God on a UK TV stepper cult promotoin?

Yes the stepper cult ALWAYS mentions God when promoting the cult on TV, they are TOTALLY HONEST in their promotions
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No, they like to lure people in pretending to be a genuine support group and then terrorise victims into joining the cult
100% (1 vote)
Other- Once again there is no other, The stepper cult is either TOTALLY HONEST or VERY DECEPTIVE in its promotions
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Total votes: 1

Emmerdale update

Lauren has been six months sober and has asked Ashley to accompany her to an open AA meeting to collect her chip (I didn't realise AA gave out chips for a mere six months alleged sobriety?, not long in stepper cult 'time' terms, you need at least 20 years ALLEDGED sobriety to be a bonefide stepper cult old-timer come most highly developed spiritual guru).........still NO mention of God though, albeit a stepper cult puppeteer version, who can also be a doorknob and just loves people constantly woffling on about character defects and other guilt inducing topics and totally abandons anybody who

Sacred Knowledge: how psychedelics shaped an academic's life

This is quite interesting. This guy is a researcher who dates from the old days when psychedelics were an experimental treatment for alcohol abuse and drug addiction:

Sacred Knowledge: how psychedelics shaped an academic's life


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