Newcomers: Welcome to OPF!

As you peruse the blog content here, you’ll be overpowered by the hatred-driven invective of too many posters here. You’ll find that there’s nothing in this forum to help you in your efforts and personal journey toward the ultimate objective of freeing yourself from the terminal shackles of the dogmatic twelve-step death-trip.



What does the website "Leaving AA" really offer when it comes to deprogramming?

Is there even a process for deprogramming available?

Wanna talk about Ryan?

God is Great!

Gunthar Gate - Defamation of Character

LibelCharacter Assassination
The district attorney in Norfolk County, MA is Michael Morrissey. His phone number is 781-830-4800. Gunthar has attempted or is attempting to ruin the reputations of at least 3 people and it sounds like there may be more.

Gunthar lives in Norfolk County. Gunthars address, freely given, is here LMAO

Since joining the Orange Papers Hate Forum who has been the most hateful?

A. Gunthar2000 (American Psycho)
67% (4 votes)
B. JR Harrissment
0% (0 votes)
C. Rolf Angermann
0% (0 votes)
D. Openly OpenlyHostile
0% (0 votes)
E.itisii (ex-moonie)
17% (1 vote)
F. Brett (the mate from Down Under)
0% (0 votes)
G. Both A and B
17% (1 vote)
H. A B and C
0% (0 votes)
I. A B C and D
0% (0 votes)
J. A B C D and E
0% (0 votes)
K. A B C D E and F
0% (0 votes)
L. All the above
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 6

I think they made a movie about this -American Psycho

The OPF redo stars gunthar2000, with a strong supporting role from JR Harrassment.

Ryan's Song

What does the website "Leaving AA" really offer when it comes to deprogramming?

Is there even a process for deprogramming available?

Wanna talk about Ryan?


Not many examples of recovery here or at AA.

Your New Anti-AA Sponsor is no Better Than the AA Sponsor You left!

Okay guys... a few of you can string some words together in an attempt to seem like intellectuals. The best writers I've encountered as an unofficial member of the "Anti-AA Movement" are probably (prolly for us teenage girls) Mona Lisa and humanspirit. While many of these folks, whom I have not mentioned by name, may seem to have their shit together, they are actually a rag tag buncha internet bullies with no goals, no jobs, values insufficient to maintain normal relationships. Most of them are on meds for a number of diagnosed disorders.

Hi everybody. It is Time for the awarding of the Triple Crown of Bat Shit Crazy Blogging

The award goes to gunthar.Congrats to you gunthar.
Gunthar wins this prestigious three prong award for his bat shit crazy assumptions and accusations. The three prongs of the award are Film Critic, Doctor and Judge.

Film Critic for gunthars contribution to the Cannes Film Festival. Doctor for gunthars diagnoses of all orangies and Judge for gunthars performing the role of judge, jury and executioner of peoples character.

Accolades aslo to gunthars owner, JR Harrassment.


Hi Brett. I suggest you cool down. Your orangie implosion is obvious.

I also suggest Emotions Anonymous for you. Check out the World Meeting List for a meeting near you. Yep, EA is everywhere you need to be.

Hello everybody

I haven't been here in quite some time. Where are all the white women at?

Assassinating your character... One Comment at a Time.

Leaving AA...

Deleting your comments... One Comment at a Time.

Lance Dodes explores the current state of Evidence-Based Treatment in Addiction and the Studies associated with it. Are the current studies flawed (skewed) because of the way they are held (self report and dropping the people that quit the study)?

What Do We Really Know About Addiction?

By Lance Dodes 06/04/15

..... Evidence-based treatment is as accepted as motherhood and apple pie. After all, evidence is the cornerstone of science itself. Before the Age of Enlightenment, people could claim anything was true, but evidence tells us whether claims are justified. There's just one problem: if the evidence is faulty or irrelevant, so is the claim based on it. That is exactly what has happened for too much of what we are told in health care, and addiction in particular....

Is AA an abusive and traumatic experience?

Where is the evidence?

12 Steps to Dead now has a Facebook page for those that care

It's not so much about the book as it's just another resource and place to vent about what a wretched program AA is and to
"share" how the fellowship was not only unhelpful to you, but that it actually hindered your well being.

It's a Public Group so if anonymity is a concern, probably not a great place for you to go unless you have an alias presence as
many on Facebook do.

Just go into the search screen and type in 12 Steps to Dead and request to join.
The trolls will be there....until they aren't.....

Old but interesting news: National Drug Control Strategy

Sponsored by Senator Joe Biden in 1990 was the National Drug Control Strategy Act that supported the Federal criminal authorizing courts to allow early release of some drug dependent offenders with special conditions. Those specifically named as conditions were the following: “submission to periodic drug testing, regular attendance at meetings of Narcotics Anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous, or Cocaine Anonymous, and participation in an outpatient substance abuse counseling program”.

Note: in 2007 Joseph Biden introduced the Recognizing Addiction as a Disease Act.

Where have you seen the Psychotic AA Smirk the most during your time in Alcoholics Anonymous or 12 Step Programs?

I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during shares at AA meetings by people with Guru status and no training.
25% (1 vote)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk before and after AA/12 Step meetings.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk from people who want to be my Sponsor.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during an "Intervention"into the AA faith.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during all of the above. Meetings, parkinglots, Sponsors and Interventions.
50% (2 votes)
I have never seen the Psychotic AA Smirk because I am an AA member who has never looked in the mirror when hunting prospects.
0% (0 votes)
Other- Please explain in the comments your view of the Psychotic AA Smirk.
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Have you been victimized by the Psychotic AA Smirk?

intr.v. smirked, smirk·ing, smirks
To smile in an annoying self-satisfied manner.
An annoying self-satisfied smile.
1. a smile expressing scorn, smugness, etc, rather than pleasure
2. (intr) to give such a smile
3. (tr) to express with such a smile
Read more: smirk

Why Jack Trimpy put an end to Rational Recvoery meetings.

The name Jack Trimpey always seems to go over as well as the sound of Robert Shaws nails on the Blackboard in the Town Meeting scene in the movie Jaws. Trimpey allowed people to organize meetings around his first book that he written called "The Small Book" in the 90's. Apparently he went to a meeting, and was disgusted at how these Rational Recovery meetings were becoming just like AA, only using different terminology. He copyrighted the words Rational Recovery and would not permit any meetings to use his materials, or the words Rational recovery.

When Bill Wilson, or any other AA member has sex it's a scandal...

Why they even made a movie about it!... It's called The 13th Step.

When someone from the AA critical movement does the same thing it's "hot."

I don't get this... Can someone please explain it to me?

What are Emmerdale trying to say?

I'm a bit confused about Emmerdale. Many Brits have seen the soaps attempts to promote the stepper cult on British TV lately. What relevance to actually 'stopping drinking' as opposed to becoming indoctrinated into the cult of AA, using the word 'alcoholic' is .....I fail to see.

Testosterone and Alcohol - A Lethal Combination

All the in-fighting, bitching and back-stabbing within the anti-AA movement generated by the release of The 13th Step Movie has obscured some of the key issues relating the Karla Brada murder.

What is meant by "Outside Issue" in Alcoholics Anonymous and how is it tied to "Controversy" in Tradition 10? What is considered a "non-outside issue" in AA?

Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

12&12 Tradition Ten, p.176

Tradition 10 - All history affords us the spectacle of striving nations and groups finally torn asunder because they were designed for, or tempted into, controversy.

12&12 Tradition Ten, p.176

AA Tradition 10 - In this respect, we do not enter into public controversy, because we know that our Society will perish if it does.


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