A Public Appeal To Orange

PLEASE don’t make us all suffer through the misery of allowing “The New Reincarnation of JimBabble (a/k/a ‘Jerry’) to go on.

PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. I beg you. I believe we ALL beg you.

Please bring this misery to a prompt end and don’t let this ranting, raving, babbling lunatic have another turn at trying to destroy this forum.

Please end it now. PLEASE.

12 Step Program adopts LSD


The co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) believed LSD could be used to cure alcoholics and credited the drug with helping his own recovery from often debilitating depression, according to new research.

About 20 years after setting up the Ohio-based sobriety movement in 1935, Bill Wilson came to believe that LSD could help "cynical alcoholics" achieve a "spiritual awakening" and start on the path to recovery.

LDS adopts 12 Step Program

Big Book Sponsorship vs. the AA of Today

What I find fascinating is how many old-timers acknowledge that AA in its present form is not working for the majority of people who try it. They say AA has been watered down to little more than ersatz group therapy without the therapist. The fault lies, they claim, in the advent of the treatment industry and its quasi-therapeutic model of addressing the whole person, not just their drinking. If only newcomers followed the explicit directions in the Big Book with the guidance of a Step sponsor, they say, AA would have the same or better success rate as in the early days.

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps (Orange's Introduction)

In his essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps" Orange says, "Christian churches would call the Twelve Steps heretical, if they would bother to read them carefully. Theologically, there are all kinds of things wrong with them." He is absolutely correct about the Twelve Steps being heretical. But the sad thing is that many (if not most) churches today will not read them because they are not concerned about heresy or theological correctness.

“Neural Pathways” A breakthrough in understanding or just a new name for conditioning, habitual behavior?

DISCLAIMER-These are my OPINIONS based on articles that I’ve read and what I’ve experienced. I make no claim that this is how it is or that they are inarguable FACTS. When it comes to human behavior and these kinds of subjects, there are very few indisputable absolutes.

The definition of neuroplasticity in Wikipedia reads as follows;

Stepper Cult Joke

When is a sexual predator NOT a sexual predator? When they are a 13th stepper

What exactly do Smart NOT want you to Criticise about the stepper cult?

Its failure to actually work as a solution to a substance misuse problem
0% (0 votes)
Its tendancy to screw its victims minds up
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The extremly high suicide rate of the stepper cult
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Its conection with the Oxford Group cult
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Its totally insane indoctrination
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Its lying and fear-mongering
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Its sexual predator and child battering co-founders
0% (0 votes)
All of the above, in fact I dont think there is anything you can't legitamatly criticise about the stepper cult
100% (1 vote)
Total votes: 1

Morality and the stigma of drug addiction

Turns out if you poll 700 random Americans, most of them see drug addiction as a moral failing, not a treatable medical condition. That means regardless of the classification of drug addiction as a disease, it is still not viewed that way by the public. Consequently, drug addiction is based on making bad choices, so the crux of the issue is personal responsibility. The critical piece is what an addict does to break the pattern of self-enslavement. It might take an overdose or a prison sentence to force a decision. In any case, there are always choices.

Seriously Jim?

New tactic...........
compliment everyone on their astute observations so that maybe we will forget what your true agenda, which will undoubtedly rear it's head in no time flat, is. It already has but you got nailed on that one so you backed off and are now love-bombing.

You can't seriously think nobody is going notice.............

The UK is Experimenting with an old drug - 'Mild alcoholics' who want more than one glass of wine a day may be given a pill to reduce dependence.

'Mild alcoholics' who want more than one glass of wine a night to be given £3 pill to reduce dependence

By Sophie Borland Health Correspondent for the Daily Mail
Published: 12:15 EST, 2 October 2014 | Updated: 15:44 EST, 2 October 2014

12-Stepping Cartoons... They are Hilarious!

This may be old news but I came across some cartoons that I think are hilarious. A guy who calls himself commonsense has several of these but I liked these two the best. Don't Quit Before the Miracle Happens! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5-Q0lJTYek and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgDM_aGfY8

Orange hasn't been around in a while.

Hope he's okay.

I Have a Goldfish That Tell Me I Do Not Have a Goldfish

What awesome person on here said this about two months ago? Maybe three? I have thought of it every day since and it makes me smile each and every time. :)

Quotes for VIOLET

LOST YESTERDAY.between sunrise and sunset-4 golden hours each set with 60 diamond minutes. no reward is offered as they aer gone forever. 19th century/horace Mann I fight with my opponent,my failures,the demons of doubt, injuries,my anonymity,and the unrelenting voice of doubt that tells me to quit. I am a fighter and one thing is certainty--I will be victorius. I still see you as a friend. I hope.

substance dependency disease and behavior disorder science

i support both
because one size or belief does not fit all

can opf members aspire to say that?
or does OPF enable "no disease" group think mind control behavior?
wo confronting it.

do you argue that disease science is absolutely wrong - for others!
do you literally argue to negate it for anyone and everyone?

What actually is IT ?

IT gets better......It works if you work it........what exactly is it? I know it is spiritual and most definitely NOT religious, but has anybody got any ideas what this 'it' thing actually is?

Phil Collins disses AA, rejects "alcoholic" label

I've always liked the guy and think he's a straight shooter. I was pleased to read the following because it confirms my high regard for him.

Phil Collins Reveals He Nearly Died, Ended Up In Alcoholics Anonymous And Developed Pancreatitis As A Result Of Heavy Drinking

The Huffington Post UK
Posted: 29/09/2014 15:46 BST - Updated: 29/09/2014 15:59 BST

Advice from Doctors or from AA regarding addictive medication?

On the subject of AA's warnings against the abuse of prescription medication, a report has been produced by the American Academy of Neurology on the dangers of prescription opioids:


The article is 3 pages and is worth reading in full. Here are are few relevant quotes:

"Between 1999 and 2010 more than 100,000 Americans died of opioid overdoses....far exceeding the 58,000 US military casualties of the Vietnam War."

AA’s 12 Steps don’t teach you how to stop drinking and neither do their meetings! Part Four- by Rolf Ankermann “The DRUNKALOGUE”

So after the demeaning introductions where we all have to identify ourselves as alcoholics even though we don’t drink anymore and the ridiculous readings that are designed to beat us down and convince us that we are all terminally diseased and that are only hope is a lifetime of AA, we are then ready for the meat of the meeting, the DUNKALOGUE.

When Steppers Own/Run Treatment Centers Advertised as Non-12-Step

Parable (?). A "treatment center" advertises itself as non 12-step, or as 12-step neutral. People client trusts have brought client that referral. A client locks in resources and makes commitments (family, time, financial, geographic, psychological, etc.).

Said treatment center has just been bought up by owner who is 12 step (though clients may come to doubt owner's "sobriety" in 12 step terms). Said treatment center continues, for months even to this day, to advertise non 12-step and/or 12 step neutral professionals and treatment team.

Alcoholics Anonymous Slogans

"One Little Pill" Documentary narrated by Claudia Christian about the Sinclair Method (Naltrexone) coming out in 2015

"One Little Pill" Documentary narrated by Claudia Christian about the Sinclair Method (Naltrexone) coming out in 2015

Published on Jul 31, 2014

Steppers please tell me this as well

How long does the stepper god, who can be a light bulb or a cricket (or baseball) bat or whatever, remove your shortcomings for if you ask Him to humbly. This bat, whether cricket or baseball is a male bat female bats presumably wear a dress. Anyway there must be a time limit involved in removing shortcomings otherwise you would be miracled perfect as soon as you did step 7 and would no longer have to constantly inform the solemn head bobbers about your exaggerated character defects and resentments that they keep on regurgitating at those macabre cult indoctrination sessions/meetings.

Controversy over AA leadership....AA has a Responsibility!

Controversy over Alcoholics Anonymous leadership.

AA has the responsibility to adequately serve, inform, and protect their members!

AA also has the responsibility to inform the same societies of which they also recruit for membership of AA's: religious components, potential dangers, and results of studies regarding the successes (lack of).

More AA Fallout

We're not doing well financially. So my husband asked if he could spend some money, $700, for someone to look at/edit a book he wrote and I felt like I couldn't say no because of a number of reasons. And this woman who he gave the money to has been ducking him and he just found out today that she's in rehab and I wonder why I could have been so stupid to let my husband give that much money to someone who is in AA. Fuck I hate these people.

Daily Reflection for Sept. 24, 2014

From the fatherly and archaic Daily Reflections book, comes today's injection of PTSD. Be scared, be VERY scared!


We have seen the truth demonstrated again and again: "Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic." Commencing to drink after a period of sobriety, we are in a short time as bad as ever. If we are planning to stop drinking, there must be no reservation of any kind, nor any lurking notion that someday we will be immune to alcohol.


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