Anyone want to HELP GUNTHAR??

My guess is that right now/GUNTHAR IS depressed confused.self-hating,lonely and needs some HELP or haven't all you'se shit-talkers who are destroying this OPF cause you just love your fellow man and want to help others/noticed that since Gun was attacked for feeling having feelings from childhood abuses for not really ACCEPTING G'S US/for being a phony fake christ-stain that he's stopped posting. but golly gee youre all so full of it/I mean full of brotherly LOVE that you continuously slag, dog-mouth .shit talk around existence of what is god/is God LOVE or SATAN

Does continually slagging off Anti Stepper Cult Members on this Forum help with deprograming or exposure of the Stepper Cult

Yes
0% (0 votes)
No, it just drives victims of the stepper cult who need deprogramming, away
100% (7 votes)
Total votes: 7

Is the Orange Papers forum

an Anti Stepper Cult Forum?
50% (2 votes)
an Anti Christianity Forum?
0% (0 votes)
an Anti God Forum?
0% (0 votes)
an Anti Jimbattle Forum?
0% (0 votes)
an Anti AntiDenial Forum?
0% (0 votes)
an Anti NoAAUK Forum?
0% (0 votes)
Some combination of the above options, please clarify in comments
50% (2 votes)
Total votes: 4

What has the false cult of steppism got to do with Jesus Christ?

What possible connection is there between the lying, fear-mongering, coercive, predatory cult of steppism and Jesus Christ? Some people have even suggested that some steppers use Jesus as a 'higher power.'

Update

I wasn't going to post here any more since I felt attacked about a previous blog entry, but what the hell. Blogging helps me process what is going on and my and my husband's experience with 12-Step programs. After many, many, many conversations about 12-Step, my husband is really starting to come around. He is down to one meeting a week and is seeing a therapist about his issues with addiction and also about his relationship with 12-Step. The counselor is very supportive of him giving up 12-Step if he wants to, but is not anti-12-Step.

A bible commentary on Jim Battle's dangerous criminal ministry Part 1

"Many will come in my name, but on ye day o judgement, I will say 'Hark who tha fk are you'" or words to that effect. Ref: somewhere in the gospels, probably John. This particular scripture was written by someone far more intelligent than Jim Battle & his real christians. What it is saying is do your laundry on Wednesday's, but only propa christians with real bible education will understand this. As soon as I find a scientific you tube link i'll post it.

We Agnostics and Freethinkers International Alcoholics Anonymous Convention (WAFT IAAC) In Santa Monica, CA November 6 to 8, 2014 - Taking God out of the Steps

“Freethinkers have constituted a significant presence in AA from the beginning,” said Dorothy H., convention chairwoman. “Meetings founded by atheists and agnostics and dedicated to free expression have proliferated in recent years and now number some 150 worldwide. This convention will amplify their voice and strengthen efforts to maintain an inclusive Fellowship, one that assures nonbelievers they can find sobriety without having to accept anyone else’s beliefs or deny their own.”

If Jesus is the answer to addictions & mental & emotional problems, why is Jim Battle still plagued with delusion. part 2

Because the god of Jim's understanding doesn't exist & if he did why would he reveal himself to a criminal conman of jim's calibre. Watch his video's for scientific proof, see his shifty eyes & flash hands, genetic traits common to criminals of his type.

Recommended Reading

I recommend reading Eric Hoffers all-time masterpiece "The True Believer” to anybody who hasn’t already read it.

A Bible Commentary on the Orange Papers (Part 1)

If you've read the homepage of The Orange Papers, you know that these papers are a book which presents Orange's "analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous and substance misuse recovery programs, and real recovery." Orange does a wonderful job of exposing AA for the evil program that it is and offers a wealth of good information. In doing so, he displays a very analytical mind which is something I greatly admire. However, for the benefit of true believers in Christ, I would like to present a Christian perspective on many of the things written in this book.

Maharaji/PremRawat provesDivineExists

Dec11th1972 25 of us were allowed into a room at the Concord ashram and to my everlasting SUPRISE/When RajeshawrAnandji opened the invixible door to a parrallel universe inside of allhuman beings.I saw a LIGHT SHINING INSIDE OF ME brighter than sun,searchlight/So bright that if mine eyes had seen it they'd have been fried out.4 secret technioques that have for over 41 years allowed me to see this"PARRALLEL UNIVERSE"inside of me and all.When I looked at others with this experience I realized-they shine.they have godlen light shining around

Correct me if I'm wrong

I thought the Orange-papers were created to expose AA and faith healing as not being viable treatments for alcoholism or anything else. So why do people keep on insisting that God and Jesus Christ are the answer. From everything Iv'e read in the papers they suggest science based methods and treatments. So for those of you who believe in faith healing why don't you start your own forum and leave this one alone.

Is Jim Battle crazy

If God were omnipotent, omniscient and all loving as Jim Battle claims, there would be no evils on the earth. Evils such as alcoholism exist. Therefore the God, Christ as Jim Battle understands Him does not. Christ as Jim Battle understands him is a mythical Christ. Soberman 2/22/1970

More to the point, was Bill Wilson crazy?

Yes
44% (4 votes)
No
56% (5 votes)
Total votes: 9

Is Jim Battle crazy?

Yes
50% (6 votes)
No
50% (6 votes)
Total votes: 12

If Jesus Christ is the Answer to "Addictions" and Mental & Emotional Problems, Why Do Both "Christians" & non-Christians Look Elsewhere? (The Conclusion)

In Part 1, we took a look at the reasons why nonChristians do not look to Jesus Christ for answers. In Part 2, we began to take a look at why [people who claim to be] Christians look for answers outside of the Bible and their relationship with Jesus Christ? In Part 3, we looked at one more reason why Christians do this. And here, in Part 4 (The Conclusion), we are about to see the final reason for this and how God uses Paul to present the solution to this problem. From the book titled "12 Steps To Destruction" (By Martin and Deidre Bobgan). All Words in the [Brackets] are Mine.

Why not have two OPF's?

Why not have two Orange Paper Forums? One for exposing the cult of steppism and trying help others with stepper cult deprogramming. The other Orange Papers Forum could be used to slag of other Anti's or God or what ever you don't agree with...other than steppism off? People who just want to expose the stepper cult could just go straight to the forum that exposes steppism and try's to help others with stepper cult deprogramming.

65 Year old AA member John Murphy on trial for Stalking mother of two children he met at AA in 2006 because he claimed she was drinking again.

Stalker left mum-of-two fearing for her safety

01/08/14

A MOTHER of two young children was stalked by a man she met at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

Magistrates in South Tyneside were told retired gas fitter John Murphy was spotted by witnesses parking his white van for periods of time outside his victim’s home in Jarrow on several occasions.

SICKOS

Just curious, who does everyone think is the sickest individual on this blog? I am sure I will get a few nominations!!! I will post mine later on!!!

If Jesus Christ is the Answer to "Addictions" and Mental & Emotional Problems, Why Do both "Christians" & non-Christians Look Elsewhere? (Part 3)

In Part 1, we took a look at the real reasons why nonChristians do not look to Jesus Christ for answers. In Part 2, we began to take a look at why [people who claim to be] Christians look for answers outside of the Bible and their relationship with Jesus Christ? In Part 3, we are going to look at one more reason why Christians do this. And in Part 4 (The Conclusion), we will see the final reason for this and how God uses Paul to present the solution to this problem. From the book titled "12 Steps To Destruction" (By Martin and Deidre Bobgan). All Words in the [Brackets] are Mine.

Clean up in Isle 5

This is getting frigging ridiculous. Don't know if anyone agrees, but I think it's time to make a concerted petition to Orange to get rid of the Jesus Thug Battle and his hangers on (all 2 of them...lol). This place has degenerated into uselessness - again. He did this 6 months ago. Enough is enough. Thoughts anyone?

News Flash!

The notion of “God” (being whatever you decide “God” is, which includes the possibility of choosing none other than Jesus Christ Himself) is viewed by many, MANY people as NOT being “...the Answer to "Addictions" and Mental & Emotional Problems...” and that’s why countless scores of those people have abandoned AA, AV, Celebrate Recovery and all the other religion-driven “...solutions...”.

PREACHER PAXT/TEST of WILL POWER

When a RAPIST calls VICTIM 39 timesTHEN GETS ANSWER learns/if I keep stalking calling /she/he'll answer was "Preacher Pact" ignore JB refuse to engage Iknow but gee/soo funny funnier funniest disengage/simply agreement from all on OPF we will refuse to acknowledge DTUHH JUDGE "Judge not lest yee be judged.for with what measure you JUDGE so shall you also be JUDGED." so since I see a Psych I'm eveil.dtuuh forgot I'm buddhist and study with PremRawat so STFU takikng pain meds golly gee/just bray hee haw hee haw and won't need meds.and well there's no reason for

If Jesus Christ is the Answer to "Addictions" and Mental & Emotional Problems, Why Do Both "Christians" & non-Christians Look Elsewhere? (Part 2)

From the book titled "12 Steps To Destruction" (By Martin and Deidre Bobgan). All Words in the [Brackets] are Mine. [In Part 1, it was explained why NonChristians look for answers outside of Jesus Christ.] But why do [people who claim to be] Christians look for answers outside of [the Bible and] their relationship with Jesus Christ? Paul [the preacher who wrote most of the New Testament] wrestled with this problem in his letter to the [church in Galatia].

The Jesus Fish 500

Since people are reposting I figured I'd post my story again. It's all about me me me! lol! When I was a kid I got the shit kicked out of me a couple of times a week. My mom would make me strip naked and she’d beat me with a plastic belt. She’s tell me that I was getting nine lashes and, “You little bastard, if you even move an inch or make a single peep I’ll cut your balls off and give you another three lashes.”

disease or not? - its not what yee claim - but - HOW yee claim.

I lean towards its a disease for myself and it's simple enough to accept the precedent that nuero toxins affect the brain in some people different than others - so i am not saying its true for all but i am concerned that there are those who make claims it is not a disease for anyone - and most just don't get it - which over steps other people own decision, i claim that is a lack of understanding your own limits and attempting to control others. some have financial motives for this some over step due to emotion and ego.

If Jesus Christ is the Answer to "Addictions" and Mental & Emotional Problems, Why Do Both "Christians" & non-Christians Look Elsewhere? (Part 1)

Jesus came to set at liberty those who have been bruised by the world, the flesh and the devil. Indeed, all who find themselves caught in the wreckage of their lives and who are now turning to recovery programs [and psychological counseling] need Jesus more than anything or anyone else. Therefore, the question must be asked: If Jesus is truly the answer to life’s problems and indeed the very source of life, why are both nonChristians and Christians looking for answers elsewhere?

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