Another win against the "Troubled Teen Industry" - Allynwood Academy in Hancock (formerly the Family Foundation School) has been closed down effective Aug 8, 2014

In another win for the activists exposing the "Troubled Teen Industry" the Family Foundation School Truth Campaign has accomplished another abusive camp to be shut down in Hancock, NY.

Hancock school for at-risk youth to close for good at week's end

Staff Report The Daily Star
August 7, 2014

Allynwood Academy in Hancock, formerly known as the Family Foundation School, is closing effective Friday, according to a letter sent to employees by administrator Richard Reeve.

Challenging the 12-step hegemony

Challenging the 12-step hegemony.


Originally designed to make money for the founders, AA's self perpetuating mind trap chugs on.

It won't be long before it's gone though.

Orange Papers Forum: A good idea gone bad.

OPF is supposed to be an anti-AA focused forum. The exposure and highlighting of all the dangerous and destructive aspects of the stepper cult is supposed to be the focus and purpose of this forum. The subject of this forum is supposed to be the anti-AA movement and not anything else.

Unfortunately, OPF has deteriorated down into being an incredibly low-level religion-debating equivalent of “professional wrestling” (contradiction in terms which that is).

..This kinda flips me out

Are comments from the likes of ben and the-new-black appropriate for a stepper cult deprogramming forum?

A selection of comments from ben 'I constantly attack you and Anti Denial because I think you're both a waste of space and cause more harm than good.' 'What a bullshitter...lmao' 'Anybody disagrees with Jim, they're a God-hater. Anybody disagrees with NOAAUK, they're a stepper...lmao 'There are a lot of people who know me on here who are laughing their asses of at Any who didn't think you were crazy will do now after this little tirade...lmao' - fucking mad as a box of frogs...lmao' 'You're a joke boy...LMAO.

#4 of 50

For your enjoyment I thought I would copy and paste a little light reading I have found . Some may agree, others my not. To each is own.

Proof #4 - Think about science
Notice what happens when anyone is "miraculously cured". A person is sick, the person prays (or a prayer circle prays for the person) and the person is cured. A religious person looks at it and says, "God performed a miracle because of prayer!" That is the end of it.

Did Jesus Promise to Give Christians Literally Anything They Ask for In Faith (Like Oscar Claims that He Did)?

I'm going to follow Oscar's example here and take the easy way out by using someone else's article. The difference is that I really do understand everything this article says and I'm going to put my own words in [brackets] so that you don't think that I wrote it.

You're making a bad name for yourself

If you want a laugh, Google "Jim Battle Preacher" Right in front of you in the first web entry is the following:-

"Jim Battle proves on the OP that God does not 10 posts 6 Aug 2014
Jim Battle failed christian/dangerous criminal 11 posts 20 Feb 2014
Jim Battle Ministries a dangerous criminal organization! 22 posts 16 Dec 2013"

Really making a name for yourself - is this the way Jesus meant it to happen? Maybe you ought to threaten to sue

Hello Orange

Small point about the formatting on the site. Would it be possible to have the default for the Text Format changed to Plain Text - it's currently Filtered HTML. This causes posts to lose CR & LF. I forget every time and have to go back and change each

Cult of Boniface

Interesting, but no mention of AA. I wonder why?

#3 of 50

#3 - Look at historical gods
The belief in "god" seems to be ubiquitous through the ages.

We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid -- still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. There is no evidence of their existence. Thus we do not build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.

Jim Battle proves on the OP that God does not

God refuses to prove he exists, as it would deny the need for faith. Jim Battle, by claiming to prove that God DOES exist actually proves that he DOESN'T

Douglas Adams explains it much

Can Science Really Prove Whether or Not Prayer Works? - This Was Written by a Man Who Does Not Even Believe in God

What you are about to read comes from someone who says we can't know whether the Christian God exists or not. He's wrong about that but at least he was honest about the fact that you can't use science to prove that prayer works or does not work. Here is a link to the atheist website where I found this article:

#2 of 50

Proof #2 - Statistically analyze prayer
The fact is, God never answers any prayers. The entire idea that "God answers prayers" is an illusion created by human imagination.

How do we know that "answered prayers" are illusions? We simply perform scientific experiments. We ask a group of believers to pray for something and then we watch what happens. What we find, whenever we test the efficacy of prayer scientifically, is that prayer has zero effect:

Hears some free speech for ya

Proof #1 - Try praying How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world. What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

A bible commentary on Jim Battle's dangerous criminal ministry Part 2

Jesus was walking along the beach one day, checking out the babes, enjoying the sun & getting a bit of a tan, when he spys a couple of blokes fishing, Simon called Peter (the cops were after him him so he used an alias) & his brother (name eludes me) "repent" he sayeth unto them "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" he says " follow me & I'll maketh youse fishers of men" & they did.

One of the Most Powerful Proofs that the Bible is True and that Jesus Christ Really is God

Simon Greenleaf, one of the main founders of the Harvard Law School, set out to prove that the Bible writers were either lying or deceived about The Miracles and The Resurrection of Jesus Christ (See Testimony Of The Evangelists). In his day, he was the NUMBER ONE EXPERT on evidence. And lawyers (when examining evidence) STILL apply the laws of evidence taught in his textbook titled "Treatise on the Law of Evidence". Why? Because these laws are like the laws of nature; they are FACTS.

G,day Soberman

How's things mate, hows your health, wife ect, what have you been up to?

Why Such Certainty?

Everyone on this site seems to have such certainty about their opinions - they present them as facts. I probably do it myself sometimes. Here are some questions: How do you KNOW that God doesn't exist? How do you KNOW that God wants everyone to be a Christian? How do you KNOW that all the gossip you have read about Bill W. is true? How do you KNOW that faith healing never works? How do you KNOW that something that worked/didn't work for you will/won't work for anyone else?

Stepper cult Joke

Smart Recovery

Where The Bible & The Orange Papers Agree and Disagree (Part 2) - AA: Spiritual, Religious, or Superstitious?

(Words in the [brackets] are mine unless stated otherwise.) If you've read the homepage of The Orange Papers, you know that these papers are a book which presents Orange's "analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous and substance misuse recovery programs, and real recovery." Orange does a wonderful job of exposing AA for the evil program that it is and offers a wealth of good information. In doing so, he displays a very analytical mind which is something I greatly admire.

What's the difference between

Whats the difference between Jim Battles christianity & the Westborough Baptists christianity?

"Is Bill Wilson a prophet? " (By JR Harris)

Here is a link to a post by JR Harris where he seems to be saying that he believes that the prophets of the BibIle are TRUE Prophets of God. I really want to hear what NoAAUK and Anti-Denial have to say about this. Am I reading this wrong? "Is Bill Wilson a prophet?" by JR Harris:

The Killing

The Killing is a crime drama series originally produced by AMC and later picked up by Netflix which produced the final six episode season. The show went on for four seasons, and was THE BEST series I've ever seen. I was, however, disappointed with the very last episode where one of the main characters recovers from addiction through Narcotics Anonymous and the 12 steps. You can see some of Netflix' portrayal of 12 step programs at 46:40 of this video.

SMART Recovery Website Hacked?

From the SMART Recovery website...

The Oxford Group that Alcoholics Anonymous was made from and its 28 Principles from Anne Smiths Journal - How many of them have been force preached about to OPF members in the last 8-10 months?

In the beginning, God.

1. God - Biblical descriptions of Him as Creator, Maker, Father, Spirit, Love, Living God.1

2. God has a plan - His will for man-and provides definite, accurate information for the individual who wants the plan fulfilled. 2

3. Man's chief end - To do God's Will, thereby receiving the blessings God promises to those who align their lives with His Will. 3

4. Belief - We must start with the belief that God IS. 4

Sin-Estrangement from God-The Barrier of Self.

Interesting article about "SBNR", Spiritual but not religious.

Below I've pasted the beginning of the article. One thing I've noticed is that they seem to try and trick people with the numbers (first paragraph), to make it appear that there are more supposedly "spiritual but not religious" people than there really is. Perhaps a better math person can point out the specifics.

I will never respond to a Jim Battle post again.

Starting today I will never respond to a Jim Battle post again, I will never change my mind. Soberman


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