@nus You are a liar.

@nus

You are a liar.

Give me a reasonable answer to each of the questions I have raised in my blog and I shall leave immediately

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/5129

You remain a liar and a special kind of stupid, as well as being an asshole.

Child abuse, Bible style

I was searching for something else and came upon these articles. They make pretty harrowing reading. Apparently, due to state laws regarding monitoring, Florida has become a bit of a hotbed for abusive correctional facilities run by fundamental Christians.

It looks like this series of articles are Pulitzer nominees, so people might take notice. They seem to be very well researched and don't skimp on the "name and shame".

http://www.pulitzer.org/files/finalists/2013/zayas2013/zayas01.pdf

hypotheiticals

What would happen if someone did become a whistle blower and notified the police and child protection services on someone in AA for sexually abusing children etc? What would happen if the whistle blower was an AA stepper who genuinely cared about the childrens welfare? Is this doing the right thing or simply interfering? If you knew your friend was taking their kids to a place where a molesterer hung out, would you inform them?

Justifying liberal arts and AA

Can you notice some of the similarities between this article and some of those written by AA boosters such as George Vaillant?

My oldest child, Emma, just returned to campus after a long holiday break to finish up her last semester of college.

But even before she has put the final period on her senior thesis, friends and family have begun bombarding me with one question: What is she going to do after graduation?

God the Father and Jesus Christ are Against the Codependency/Recovery Movement (Part 3)

Before reading the rest of this post, watch the short video stories of two former atheists who believe they died and went to Hell. Both of these men are doctors with PhDs. One is an "alcoholic" physician who partied with famous people like Ringo Starr of The Beetles and Hoyt Axton. Clink this link to watch "To Hell and Back" - http://the-gospel-made-plain.blogspot.com/ and read the rest of this post if you can open it.

God the Father and Jesus Christ are Against the Codependency/Recovery Movement (Part 3)

Answers for Janus

'the answers are already well known' ? Really? Give me a reasonable answer to each of the questions I have raised in my blog and I shall leave immediately.

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/97564#comment-97564

I’ll take you on you word for this, Janus.

What is the 'AA God'?

A blast from the past nadaytona.org on May 21, 2011

This site exists to expose the dangers to children and teenagers attending Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meetings. We want to stop the practice of courts,probation officers,therapists,doctors, schools,family,clergymen sending minors to AA/NA meetings where there are no background checks done.

Do you remember..........

when the summers were longer, everything tasted better and you only heard rap music in the vicinity of a steam engine? I reality, I don't either - it's just my mind fooling me to cover up the fact I'm getting old...lol. What I DO remember though, is when this used to be a fun place to come and have a laugh with people about anything and everything.

Is the truth ever actually mentioned at stepper cult meetings/indoctrination sessions

Everything wonderfull AA says is true and the 12 steps are Gods message to the world
0% (0 votes)
Some of what they say is true, cant think of anything off hand but they woffle on so much some of it must be true..yes?
20% (1 vote)
Its all just lying, fear mongering cult indoctrination designed to ensare fresh vulnerable victims at one of their lowest times
80% (4 votes)
Total votes: 5

Christianity..the ultimate cult

i just dont see how christianity doesn't fit the mould
charismatic leader..Jesus,ministers,popes
sacred book..bibles fill of liables
guilt induction..he loves us so much he gave his ONLY son
fear induction..love me or burn in hell
no exit strategy..eternity,in hell or heaven..you choose
Sin..guit induction,including thought sin
granfallon..them and us,christians vs the rest(especially atheists),christians expect persecution,in fact i think they invite it,it confirms their special status,david and the lions.

12 Step Immersion - (financing available)


At Benchmark Recovery Center residents will experience a completely different and effective addiction recovery process. This is an overview of how the 12 Steps are worked during your 90-day residential stay:

First Month

bill wilson did not work the 12 steps to get sober

first, he took a hallucinogen when he was detoxing,
thus he only imagined he had a spiritual experience
that's how dumb he was
he did not know the difference between hallucinating and a so called white light experience
second he wrote the steps afterwards
in which he mixed oxford group ideas with his own - a theft and deception ?
so what he wrote was - do i as i say - not as i exactly did [hallucinogens] - to have a spiritual experience.
Wilson attempted to make money on these false pretenses by writing a (falsified program) book.

Some Questions For You

Here are some questions I have based on what I have read on this site in the past couple of weeks:

What is the 'AA God'? Is it the Abrahamic god? Is it definitely NOT the Abrahamic god (apparently the 12 Steps are heretical according to Christians)? Is it Bill Wilson (even for people in GA and OA)? Is it any random household item? Is it a matter of personal choice for each individual? If so, how can a personal choice of a higher power be translated into the 'AA God'? What 'cult' allows you that much choice?

poll for new blog functions?

don't change
50% (2 votes)
new/resore edit function
25% (1 vote)
send email or create tab /w comment repy notification
25% (1 vote)
info critic he is totally self centered (rhetorical) and ask his higher power
0% (0 votes)
just ignore critic (waste of my time) or a stepper sock / in desquise
0% (0 votes)
indenting format needs improved
0% (0 votes)
critic needs ro work on acceptance
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 4

Rolf, Good things happening in my family.

I was having a conversation with a former stepper relative and ended up telling her something she already knows! LOL She recommended your book! So cool. I didn't tell her I'd been conversing with you! LOL

She and her husband are working with the addicted so this is really cool. Thanks for writing it! I better read it. Is it easy to get? I want a signed copy. LOL, just kidding.

Idaho Republicans Kill Bill Designed To Curb Faith Healing Deaths In Children

Idaho Republicans Kill Bill Designed To Curb Faith Healing Deaths In Children

By Jonathan Wolfe, Fri, February 28, 2014

Republicans in the Idaho state legislature killed a bill Wednesday aimed at reducing the number of children dying from treatable ailments in faith-healing communities.

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ for Sending More Help!

Before reading the Email from another True Christian, watch the short video stories of two former atheists who believe they died and went to Hell. Both of these men are doctors with PhDs. One is an "alcoholic" physician who partied with famous people like Ringo Starr of The Beetles and Hoyt Axton. Clink this link to watch "To Hell and Back" - http://the-gospel-made-plain.blogspot.com/ and read the rest of this post if you can open it.
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How AA's Preamble Should Read...

Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their misery, confusion and hopelessness with each other that they may forever live in their common problem and help others to become members of their religious cult. The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop thinking for yourself. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; AA is self supporting through member's own contributions.

I am so proud!

My kid is carrying on a conversation that I cannot name! Oh damn!

Anyhow they are talking about 12 steps, the disease theory, and atheism. He has never been addicted to anything. Not even coffee. Anyhow it got accosted by 12 step support and they mentioned me as healing, being more sane since I quit 12 steps and took back my power! They are glad. Oh so am I!!!:)

thinking deprogramming thoughts [401]

deprogramming is a boundless notion
any dialog welcome
http://vimeo.com/35423497

Statue appears on eve of Oscars, in wake of Philip Seymour Hoffman’s death

Statue appears on eve of Oscars, in wake of Philip Seymour Hoffman’s death

A Los Angeles artist known as Plastic Jesus erected an 8-foot-tall Oscar statuette shooting up heroin to call attention to what he says is widespread but hidden hard drug use in Hollywood.

His timing couldn’t have been more grimly perfect: Besides arriving just before the Oscars, the statue coincided with an autopsy report that Philip Seymour Hoffman died of heroin and other drugs.

12 Step Recovery Worship Services Begin at First Baptist Church of Moorestown - reported Friday February 28, 2014

12 Step Recovery Worship Services Begin at First Baptist Church of Moorestown

Published: Friday, February 28, 2014

The First Baptist Church of Moorestown will be holding a series of worship services based on the 12 Steps of Addiction Recovery. The church has a strong commitment to the recovery community and is home to several 12 step groups, said Rev. Linda Pepe, Pastor of FBCM.

2 billion Christians labeled bigots by 12killz_drunks. Wow!

The question posed was:

Approximately 2 billion people in this world identify themselves as Christian. Are they all bigots?

12killz_drunks answer:

Yes.

Funny, and relevant.

A particularly funny 'See Also:"

From the Herd behavior wiki.

Fist an excerpt;

In crowds
Main article: Crowd psychology

God as we understand Him created The First Alcoholic

Noah created the first slave
Genesis Chapter 9:

God allowed Noah to be the first tiller of the soil.
Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard; and he drank of the wine, and became drunk, and lay uncovered in his tent.

And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.

Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness.

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