Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Mon, 02/17/2014 - 08:49
There is no doubt that some really nice people can be found in AA. Many AA members believe that they have tapped into a resource beyond themselves, and that if they could only share it with others, this would bring purpose and meaning to their lives. Having been abused by this often predatory cult, it’s often difficult to separate the good from the bad. I do have a habit of looking at things from an all or nothing perspective, so I’ve been known to label all AA members as misfits from time to time, and that’s just not true.
A woman was sexually abused as a child. Depression runs in her family. She becomes an alcoholic. She goes to AA and manages to stay sober for a while but doesn't enjoy meetings and decides to leave. She discovers the OP website and starts writing here. She manages to upset other forum members and is subject to threats and abuse. Her husband tells her he is leaving her for another woman. Her dog dies. She kills herself.
Submitted by Rolf Ankermann on Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:57
Here's the thing that all the Trolls and advocates of AA need to understand. The people on this forum come from all kinds of different backgrounds, have had varying experiences and have differing ideas on everything from religion, "addiction", healthy alternatives, neuroscience, etc......
We have some heated debates on these subjects but for the most part respect one another's right to have their own ideas and thoughts on these issues.
Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Sun, 02/16/2014 - 10:01
The idea came to me, well, we need a definite statement of concrete principles that these drunks can't wiggle out of. There can't be any wiggling out of this deal at all and this six-step program had two big gaps which people wiggled out of.
— Bill Wilson, Transcribed from tape, Fort Worth, 1954
Submitted by criticoolthinking on Sun, 02/16/2014 - 02:47
but we waste trillions on war and wall street thieves
i don't think smart or harm reduction self help will ever be a truly comprehensive healthy option
proper therapy does not have any preconceived bias for a particular method - like smart does etc
proper therapy places the individual's unique needs paramount and flexible
it does not push pet agendas of thinking on rooms full of diverse individuals
wo a decent professional system, safety will remain an issue at any of the self help amateur hours
A public figure are those who actively engage their time working to change public policy and/or pass public laws. They have established websites, literature and often have non-profit corporations to do such. A limited purpose public figure is someone who joins the initiative of a public figure on a part time basis or starts their own. Speaking out against the information that a public figure or limited purpose public figure publishes is not considered Cyberbullying and no lawsuits can be taken against the person speaking out unless malice is proven.
after leaving aa i surely had to laugh,being pushed to have some spiritual awakening when the bloodey founder had lsd to broaden his spiritual beliefs lol being told constantly to read a book endorsed by an ass doctor hahahahahaha the way he is put on a pedestal by members i think alot of people just assume he was some kind of well respected psychologist or something. if i had to examine but holes all day i would likely drink too! hahahahahahaha and really is it not just a bit unfair to expect meditation and prayer to give a similar result to lsd?
Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:46
(Internet slang) Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals, typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely.
flannigan asked me on another thread how I thought AA/NA could be improved. I decided to write a blog rather than answer on that thread because I am interested in any suggestions that might come from other people on the forum.
I think there is a lot that is right about AA/NA but also that there is definitely room for improvement. These are the changes I would like to see (in no particular order):
You are probably familiar with the problem of disappearing and reappearing avatars since the web site was moved to the new host.
And when people tried to upload a new avatar picture, they got a goofy error message of "incorrectly configured subdirectory", which didn't make much sense. I double- and triple-checked the subdirectories, and they were okay.
I have a question but I am wary of posing it in case I am viewed as an evil 'stepper' trying to drag forum members back into the 'dangerous clutches' of AA. Just to clarify my position, I have no interest in 12 Stepping anyone. I have a generally positive impression of the 12 Step Program, but I can see that there is much there that could be improved on. My only agenda on coming on this forum was to discover if it was just about hating AA or whether there are people here actually trying to achieve something more positive.