God's Will/What Is/Reality - Going With The Flow

The idea sometimes mentioned in meetings that one can 'take back one's will' or 'do God's will' is based on a delusion. 'God's Will' is simply 'What Is' or 'Reality' for those who feel uncomfortable with the concept of a supernatural deity. Nothing exists that isn't God's Will/Reality, so any kind of battle against it is impossible.

Help! Gamblers Anonymous (GA) in Swindon, South West England needs help in finding prospects. Meeting numbers are down and they need more prospects! Something must be wrong!

Number of gamblers seeking help drops

First published 04:00 Tuesday 9 September 2014 in News by Barrie Hudson

THE Swindon branch of Gamblers Anonymous is reaching out to members old and new as numbers at the meetings fall.

The organisation uses mutual support and advice to help problem gamblers to break their compulsion.

Regular AA meetings to stay in touch with others

I have my own mind. Yes, I read the BB.. and even before reading the Orange Site, I had studied the history and listened to many of the original members who verify much of what you say. I think this is a wonderful site. It is sad that so many Regular AAs have to stick to their guns and not open their minds to the truth. \ But... for me, AA is still good to stay in touch with others who are staying sober. That's the end game for me.. staying sober. Now that I'm 17 years into this, people don't harrass me as much for speaking my mind. I always have. Also I enjoy the fellowship

How did Alcohol Anonymous Invent Christianity?

I will use the book “Jesus Interrupted “, written By Dr. Bart D Ehrman. Christianity is very much about the Big Book, playing the role of the Bible with, Bill Wilson, “Big Bill” playing a role of Jesus Christ. Most alcoholic Christians come from churches that preach the Bible, teach the Bible, and adhere to the Bible and so do alcoholics in AA teach the Big Book of AA, and adhere to the Big Book of AA’

"My disease"

If a person wandered into an AA meeting not knowing what it was and heard something like the following, what would they think?

Fathers day..i need to share

its fathers day here, i dont know about the rest of the world..but thats what it is here. A day when we reflect on families..this brings me to my point.Im thinking of my children,and most of all my oldest Dallas.. hes been dead for over ten years now. One of the things i liked about AA was shareing,not the drunkalouge style,the gut purgeing honest style.Its something i miss.Its the last place in the world you should speak about things you dont want others to know of course..but when i felt crazy in the head it was soothing to just dump it in a meeting ,then walk away.

Something I think I should share with the group.

I have been informed that what I share on line has been seen by people that work for a corrections facility, 12 step people. They shared certain things I said and later deleted from OP facebook with each other. I don't even know who saw what but I was given a warning and a threat.

Boniface and Bill's bad behavior

Before Bill Wilson was banging Helen Wynn into sexual submission and dropping acid, Boniface wrote, http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/bonifac.htm

We Must Stop the Stigma Associated with Addiction

I hear this said all the time in the media, by health professionals and politicians.

I would like to see replies to this statement: AA reduces/increases the stigma associated with addiction.

I would actually like to see answers supporting both reduce or increase.

AA’s 12 Steps don’t teach you how to stop drinking and neither to their meetings! Part One- by Rolf Ankermann

So in a recent blog I pretty much established, in my opinion anyway, that there is absolutely nothing contained within the 12 Steps that actually teach people how to stop drinking.

When asked about this in various forums, a common response by the AA faithful was that “Well it’s in the meetings where you really learn how not to drink?”

Really? Ok, then that of course begs the question of HOW. Just how do the meetings themselves teach one to stop drinking?

Debunking Alcoholics Anonymous: Behind the myths of recovery

I found this article while I was searching on the web and thought others would enjoy reading it. http://www.salon.com/2014/04/05/debunking_alcoholics_anonymous_behind_th...

Acting ondcp Director Michael Botticelli

I apologize if we've discussed the current activing director for Office of National Drug Control Policy. I have seen a few vague references online about how "this stepper" is foistering his "stepper shit" on us. This is sort of laughable. While I have made it clear that I think AA does very little to embrace options other than AA, I certainly do not think a "sober" member of "AA" has a "stepper agenda" just b/c they're in AA. Yes, sometimes. Not always. Or if he does, this needs to be found in our media and pointed out.

New column started on Beliefnet "Fellowship of Saints and Sinners" stating Alcoholics Anonymous could possibly be the “Third Reformation” in the history of Christianity.

“AA” Recovery Groups—Spirituality for the Non-Religious, Hope for the Church?
posted by Kristina Robb-Dover

Consisting of the usual AA propaganda of Spiritual, not Religious, the author does explain the path she will be following over the next few weeks with her column.

Husband is Now OUT of AA

My husband is now pretty much out of AA. He has only attended once day a week for the last two or three months because he wanted to fulfill a commitment. Now that commitment is up and he says he wants to pick up a four-year chip and tell people that he won't be attending any more because he doesn't feel he needs it any longer (although he told me he is keeping the door open if has an addiction crisis). He says he wants to pick up the chip so that people will know that they don't have to stay in if they don't think they need it.

Stepper Cult Joke

Reality is for those who can't handle the Stepper Cult

The Promise of 12-Step

I was reading the California Fouth-Step document that Violetagain posted and it made everything seem so easy. If I just do everything right -- like not carry resentments and be cheerful and be grateful and do the right thing and be an ethical person, etc. -- then everything will fall into place and I'll be happy. It almost seemed like, wow, this is the secret to happiness. And then I remembered, duh. I already knew all of this, everyone does. It's obvious. It's the actually doing it that is so difficult. It's the same with staying sober. The key to staying sober is not using a substance.

Still Don't Get It - Janus? Someone Else?

How does believing that you are powerless help you stop using abusing alcohol or another substance? How does believomg that there is a power greater than yourself help you stop abusing a substance? How does listing your character defects, confessing to someone and making amends help you stop abusing a substance? I'm not being perverse. I just do not get it. It someone explains it, it almost makes sense, and then when I think about it myself I completely lose it.

Assimilation and intellignce

Two weeks ago I posited the following theory, which I'd like to discuss more: http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/5874

Suggested prayers for AA funerals

Here's a link with prayers for AA funerals. Note the special prayer for cases of suicide:

http://hindsfoot.org/funeral1.html

Newcomers stumble into a twelve-step meeting, weeping and crying, as they choke out their story past their sobs. And finally someone in the group says quietly, “Welcome home.”

Is Mariuana a addictve plant?

Is Mariuana a addictive plant or is the addictive substance placed there by those who sells the plant on the streets? Soberman

Must Read: Erin's Story. The Devil of AA

Must Read: Erin's Story. The Devil of AA.

I stumbled onto a story about a girl named Erin just a bit ago. I came across it in the weirdest way; while looking for the an old Alcoholics Anonymous pamphlet (1950's) titled the Devil in AA.

That's why I've added a byline to "Erin's Story" ...."The Devil of AA"

Sultans of Step

Sultans of Step
by Liar Baits:

You get a liver with a scar
Or drive drunk in your car but meantime
Down in the basement you stop and you hold everything
A clan is blowing Billshit double for an hour
You feel alright when you hear a higher power

Well, now you step inside but you don't see too many faces
Coming in out of rain to hear the chants go down
Logical thought in other places
Oh, but the drones, they're blowing that sound
Way on downtown, way on downtown Stepper town

Self Loathig, the Programs very big on that one

I was originally going to post this blog on the UK Forum, but I consider it of monumental importance to the growing Anti Stepper Movement in general, whatever nation they live in and whatever their other personal beliefs. For some time I have followed Peter Barlow's struggles with the booze on the premier British Soap, Coronation Street.

Why do we reach out for help?

I guess we are all different but I suspect that most people seek help getting clean or sober is because of the negative ways their addiction affects them. That's why I did. Initially I set out for a medical, or assisted, detox. It was there and in the next few weeks that I learned that I wouldn't be able to get by without involved treatment, ie a lifetime of 12 step participation. That info was shoved at me with 'tag for my toe' attached, just in case I didn't agree to do it (It is by fear and intimidation that it works!).

Will Hank Skinner ever be executed for murdering women he met at AA?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Texas-Death-Row-Inmates-Appeal-Hinges-O...

AMARILLO (June 7, 2014) State and defense attorneys have filed briefs with a judge who will decide the fate of Texas death row inmate Hank Skinner, 52, who came within 20 minutes of execution in 2010.

Fear

IMO, fear and fear alone is what keeps most steppers coming back to the rooms day after day.

If not for the instilled fear of jails, institutions, or death. AA's numbers would dwindle.

Denial is a river in Egypt, by Rolf Ankermann

No it’s not, the Nile is a river in Africa you morons!

AA totally takes the meaning of denial and twists it to serve its purposes. Before we take a look at their evil use of the word,
let’s take a look at how normal people apply it in the recovery conversation.

Worshiping Boniface

I ask, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE!? Very creepy:

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