Drunk or Alcoholic? What is the Difference? & Can Jesus Christ Help You Become Free?

Is there a difference between being a drunk and being an alcoholic? Are addictions the result of disease or genetics, or is it a matter of the heart? Can an addiction be overcome without the help of pop psychology? These are questions that the author of the following article tries to answer. Click this link to read the rest of this article: http://www.exdrunkard.com/

Scientific evidence proves Jim Battle to be the village idiot, Does he have any shame?????

No Jim's usen to being a fool
80% (4 votes)
Yes Jim's not that usen to being a fool
20% (1 vote)
Total votes: 5

i think the endless anti god debate - is distracting from the anti aa issue.

and i think people who argue about god one way or the other ain't getting enough burning bush.

Where The Bible & The Orange Papers Agree and Disagree (Part 3) - Addictive Voice or Lust & Devils?

(Words in the [brackets] are mine unless stated otherwise.) If you've read the homepage of The Orange Papers, you know that these papers are a book which presents Orange's "analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous and substance misuse recovery programs, and real recovery." Orange does a wonderful job of exposing AA for the evil program that it is and offers a wealth of good information. In doing so, he displays a very analytical mind which is something I greatly admire. However, for the benefit of true believers in Christ, I would like to present a Christian perspective

Easter Sunday, B.C.

A viral "news story" published on DailyCurrant.com claims that former Alaska governor and Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin proclaimed during a recent TV interview that "We need to return Easter back to the way it was when Jesus was alive."

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-e...

Sarah Palin claimed today that Jesus Christ celebrated Easter during his time on Earth.

Christian Boy Dies For 3 Minutes, Meets Allah in Heaven

A young Christian boy who briefly died on a surgeon’s operating table this weekend says he met someone named Allah in heaven. Bobby Anderson, the son of a well-known Christian pastor in Atlanta, suffered internal injuries from an automobile accident and was technically dead for 3 minutes before being resuscitated. During that time the 12-year-old claims he visited the afterlife and spoke to several leading figures of the Islamic religion.

Anti AA movement?

That term makes us look like a bunch of idiots.

YANK U 4 INSPIRATION 2 RETURN 2 AA

W AL DTUHH F**ED UP SHIITE ON OPF CAN AA REALLY BE CRAZIER THAN OPF IS AT THIS MOMENT//AT LEAST SOME HAVE FAITH IN EXISTENCE OF GOD/GENERATOR OPERATOR DESTROYER AND most meetings refrain from gutter mouthed attacks now being posted inside this antiAA OPF I'll have to rerun return to some cattle calls to mrememeis AA as fcked up asOPF IS RIGHT NOW w.OBEY ME ORANGE OBEY ME ORANGE GET RID OF JBATTTLES OR ELSE WE'LL KEEP SLAGGIN /SHITTING ON.CRAPPING ON JACKIN THE OPF

What were your thoughts

I'm just curious about what others were thinking while they sat in the rooms of the stepper cult. For myself my thoughts were that the whole program made absolutely no sense. Do some people really buy into it 100% no questions asked or was there always that little voice in the back of your head telling you somethings not quite right here. "Fake it till you make it" if that's not a red flag I don't know what is.

Whats ben's next insult against me goining to be?

On second thoughts DONT answer that one.......you may get barred from this forum for a personal attack on a member

'You are a fucking class 1 cultist.' is that a personal attack on me by ben?

No, its just a bit of fun for those deprogramming from the cult of steppism
0% (0 votes)
Yes
100% (3 votes)
Total votes: 3

the jim battle deadhorse beating - stopped the no-disease/willpower debate

makes me wonder if the jim battle persona;
is a ruse to block other specific debates as well;
its such a useless dead horse;
why do certain people keep piling on;
i've seen this debate disruption pattern before;
monica lewinski distracted from bank modernization act - rescinding glass steagal;
and on the huffington post and thefix;
when specific topics come up that some don't want debated;
someone throws a dead horse in the ring;
its meant to stop debate;

It seems Jim isn't the only crazy evangelist around.

The whole movement seems to rife with sex, drugs and mental illness.

"Ted Haggard, a preacher who stepped down in 2006 from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., following a sex and drug scandal, recently spoke out about Isaac Hunter’s suicide, an event that took the evangelical world by storm last week.

Is the Orange Papers Forum a Good Idea that Has Gone Bad?

YES
33% (2 votes)
NO
67% (4 votes)
Total votes: 6

Documented Miracles of Healing After Prayer

I found this article which asks and answers the question "Are miraculous healings proof of God?" The writer of this article says that "It is not uncommon to hear of someone being healed miraculously, after prayer. But are these stories really true? And what do they tell us about God?" Again, the Bible does not teach that God ALWAYS answers prayers for healings (and some other things), but there is proof that He sometimes does. That proof is the fact that one of the ways Jesus Christ proved that He is God was by healing thousands of people miraculously.

As "We"understand Him

Who is this Him that "we" are suppose to understand? Soberman

Another win against the "Troubled Teen Industry" - Allynwood Academy in Hancock (formerly the Family Foundation School) has been closed down effective Aug 8, 2014

In another win for the activists exposing the "Troubled Teen Industry" the Family Foundation School Truth Campaign has accomplished another abusive camp to be shut down in Hancock, NY.

Hancock school for at-risk youth to close for good at week's end

Staff Report The Daily Star
August 7, 2014

Allynwood Academy in Hancock, formerly known as the Family Foundation School, is closing effective Friday, according to a letter sent to employees by administrator Richard Reeve.

Challenging the 12-step hegemony

Challenging the 12-step hegemony.

AA IS A SELF-PERPETUATING MIND TRAP

Originally designed to make money for the founders, AA's self perpetuating mind trap chugs on.

It won't be long before it's gone though.

Orange Papers Forum: A good idea gone bad.

OPF is supposed to be an anti-AA focused forum. The exposure and highlighting of all the dangerous and destructive aspects of the stepper cult is supposed to be the focus and purpose of this forum. The subject of this forum is supposed to be the anti-AA movement and not anything else.

Unfortunately, OPF has deteriorated down into being an incredibly low-level religion-debating equivalent of “professional wrestling” (contradiction in terms which that is).

..This kinda flips me out

Are comments from the likes of ben and the-new-black appropriate for a stepper cult deprogramming forum?

A selection of comments from ben 'I constantly attack you and Anti Denial because I think you're both a waste of space and cause more harm than good.' 'What a bullshitter...lmao' 'Anybody disagrees with Jim, they're a God-hater. Anybody disagrees with NOAAUK, they're a stepper...lmao 'There are a lot of people who know me on here who are laughing their asses of at you...lol. Any who didn't think you were crazy will do now after this little tirade...lmao' - fucking mad as a box of frogs...lmao' 'You're a joke boy...LMAO.

#4 of 50

For your enjoyment I thought I would copy and paste a little light reading I have found . Some may agree, others my not. To each is own.

Proof #4 - Think about science
Notice what happens when anyone is "miraculously cured". A person is sick, the person prays (or a prayer circle prays for the person) and the person is cured. A religious person looks at it and says, "God performed a miracle because of prayer!" That is the end of it.

Did Jesus Promise to Give Christians Literally Anything They Ask for In Faith (Like Oscar Claims that He Did)?

I'm going to follow Oscar's example here and take the easy way out by using someone else's article. The difference is that I really do understand everything this article says and I'm going to put my own words in [brackets] so that you don't think that I wrote it.

You're making a bad name for yourself Jim...lol

If you want a laugh, Google "Jim Battle Preacher"...lol. Right in front of you in the first web entry is the following:-

"Jim Battle proves on the OP that God does not exist...lol 10 posts 6 Aug 2014
Jim Battle failed christian/dangerous criminal 11 posts 20 Feb 2014
Jim Battle Ministries a dangerous criminal organization! 22 posts 16 Dec 2013"

Really making a name for yourself - is this the way Jesus meant it to happen?...lol. Maybe you ought to threaten to sue Google...lol.

Hello Orange

Small point about the formatting on the site. Would it be possible to have the default for the Text Format changed to Plain Text - it's currently Filtered HTML. This causes posts to lose CR & LF. I forget every time and have to go back and change each post...lol.

Cult of Boniface

Interesting, but no mention of AA. I wonder why? http://www.ancient.eu.com/Saint_Boniface/

#3 of 50

#3 - Look at historical gods
The belief in "god" seems to be ubiquitous through the ages.

We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid -- still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. There is no evidence of their existence. Thus we do not build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.

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