On a lighter note - Fractured Fairy Tales - Ridinghoods Anonymous from the show Rocky and Bullwinkle (1961-1964)

Uploaded on Oct 6, 2010
a hilarious cartoon from the show Rocky and Bullwinkle (1961-1964) it's one in the series called Fractured Fairy Tales. basically it's a twist on the old story of Little Red Riding Hood. give it a chance, it's funny and not quite what you'd expect
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C4xH216IBo

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 2)

In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange quotes Bill Wilson who said, "You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your 'higher power.' Here's a very large group who have solved their alcohol problem. In this respect they are certainly a power greater than you, who have not even come close to a solution. Surely you can have faith in them. Even this minimum of faith will be enough."

CANNIBALISM IN AA et al 12

Here I am struggling to do my daily last 2 techniques and great idea to waste waste time.Catholicism-CANNIBALISM. Eat me.Here Jesu's BLOOD drink some here's Jesu's BODY EAT SOME=CANNIBALISM does this seem strange sTragne to anyone besides me.Today is end of 3 months of Buddhist mediation season when monks do not travel to new temples but focus on doing whatever style of mediation is their form . sitting here it hit me.Damned Catholics are CANNIBALS yet noone notices. COMMUNION -now usually there's not much about the Cat-hole-lick church I laughabout

CANNIBALISM IN AA et al 12

Here I am struggling to do my daily last 2 techniques and great idea to waste waste time.Catholicism-CANNIBALISM. Eat me.Here Jesu's BLOOD drink some here's Jesu's BODY EAT SOME=CANNIBALISM does this seem strange sTragne to anyone besides me.Today is end of 3 months of Buddhist mediation season when monks do not travel to new temples but focus on doing whatever style of mediation is their form . sitting here it hit me.Damned Catholics are CANNIBALS yet noone notices. COMMUNION -now usually there's not much about the Cat-hole-lick church I laughabout

Normality?

Janus states that 'Meetings were meant to lead to normality rather than become some kind of alternative universe.' How can attendance at the stepper cult and being bombarded with Oxford Group induced indoctrination possibly lead to normality?

one size does not fit all? ....yet behaviour disorder is only correct? wow!

amazing how some people say that one size does not fit all but then they argue and demand only behavior disorder is a valid diagnosis or condition. gheez . that is seriously blind biased.

they say people do not take responsibility for a disease diagnosis. but people with cancer often take responsibility. and if they don't that is not the diagnosis's fault.

they say people are stigmatized by a disease diagnosis that is not the diagnosis's fault. it social prejudice. attack that.

Thoughts of AA

So anyway I have been exposed to "The Program" on and off at times in my life. I have found some of the people there very kind and helpful. My use of AA has been Cafeteria Style. As first introduced by the book "Living Sober". I take what works for me. My life experience has taught me to have boundaries. To rely on a Sponsor and share every thought is counter to what I see as common sense. Sponsorship may be helpful to some newcomers. The problem is this relationship has been exploited and turned into a tool of control by AA lifers.

Still Mad - Ha Ha

I thought I wasn't going to come back here, and here I am. Why can't I get over this? My husband is out of AA and it's over. He is way more involved in taking care of the kids and the house and he even has a potential job lined up. Yet I'm still stewing about things. One of the things that I'm still mad about is that except for one friend, everyone I tried to turn to for help about this just thought I was crazy and that I should be happy that my husband was going to AA to take care of his problems. No one was sympathetic.

Why was AA's success rate supposed to be greater in the begining?

God was more 'all powerful' in the 1930's
25% (1 vote)
The BB is typed on different paper now
0% (0 votes)
They had different doorknobs and bedpans in the 1930's
0% (0 votes)
Those 12 steps were just as ineffective then as now
75% (3 votes)
Total votes: 4

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 1)

In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange says this, "Possibly the greatest heresy in the A.A. dogma is this bit of idolatry: In the Alcoholics Anonymous program, you can use anything for your 'God' or 'Higher Power'." Well, not only is it possibly the greatest heresy, it IS the greatest heresy. There is a reason that the first commandment is first, which says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Idolatry (i.e. having other gods) is breaking this top priority commandment.

Describe God According to AA Doctrine

Well... He is obviously a man. He's invisible. You have to trust him in order for him to work on your behalf. He is the father of light, which is a biblical reference.

Static Thinking

Observing the contributors to the OPF, including myself, it is striking how easily people settle on an opinion and decide that it must be some kind of fixed 'truth'. Not only do people become attached to their opinions, they also become attached to their interpretations of how they perceive the world to be.

Unless you keep on challenging your thinking and keep pushing yourself to open up your mind to new concepts/opinions/interpretations, you are at risk of mentally stagnating.

What is the most commonly used stepper cult contradiction?

I would have to go for , "take what you want and leave the rest." Except that you have to believe EVERYTHING that the stepper cult promoters tell you, or its Jails. institutions or Death for you. 'Think' has got to be another common stepper cult contradiction. I would call the steppers many things, liars, fear-mongers' or predators immediately springs to mind, but thinkers?........no. Brainwashed zombies....yes. Come on readers, there's the usual prize of two free tickets to the stepper cult meeting of your choice (you don't have to put any money in the hat) for the best entry.

Hostage holding at A.A. by oldtimer!

I've been going on and off, more off to A.A. where I live, mostly cause I like some of the people and some of the sharing that doesn't relate to alcohol. I have a diagnosed mood disorder and am on medication that has made my self-medicating with alcohol pretty much stop. I was never much of a big drinker anyway and if I drank a bottle of wine in a night it was cause my disorder was acting up, not cause I was an alcoholic with a "disease". I went on the request of my doctor who knows nothing about the program and was shocked when I "enlightened" him on some of the going's on.

A Public Appeal To Orange

PLEASE don’t make us all suffer through the misery of allowing “The New Reincarnation of JimBabble (a/k/a ‘Jerry’) to go on.

PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. I beg you. I believe we ALL beg you.

Please bring this misery to a prompt end and don’t let this ranting, raving, babbling lunatic have another turn at trying to destroy this forum.

Please end it now. PLEASE.

12 Step Program adopts LSD

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/aug/23/lsd-help-alcoholics-theory

The co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) believed LSD could be used to cure alcoholics and credited the drug with helping his own recovery from often debilitating depression, according to new research.

About 20 years after setting up the Ohio-based sobriety movement in 1935, Bill Wilson came to believe that LSD could help "cynical alcoholics" achieve a "spiritual awakening" and start on the path to recovery.

LDS adopts 12 Step Program

Big Book Sponsorship vs. the AA of Today

What I find fascinating is how many old-timers acknowledge that AA in its present form is not working for the majority of people who try it. They say AA has been watered down to little more than ersatz group therapy without the therapist. The fault lies, they claim, in the advent of the treatment industry and its quasi-therapeutic model of addressing the whole person, not just their drinking. If only newcomers followed the explicit directions in the Big Book with the guidance of a Step sponsor, they say, AA would have the same or better success rate as in the early days.

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps (Orange's Introduction)

In his essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps" Orange says, "Christian churches would call the Twelve Steps heretical, if they would bother to read them carefully. Theologically, there are all kinds of things wrong with them." He is absolutely correct about the Twelve Steps being heretical. But the sad thing is that many (if not most) churches today will not read them because they are not concerned about heresy or theological correctness.

“Neural Pathways” A breakthrough in understanding or just a new name for conditioning, habitual behavior?

DISCLAIMER-These are my OPINIONS based on articles that I’ve read and what I’ve experienced. I make no claim that this is how it is or that they are inarguable FACTS. When it comes to human behavior and these kinds of subjects, there are very few indisputable absolutes.

The definition of neuroplasticity in Wikipedia reads as follows;

Stepper Cult Joke

When is a sexual predator NOT a sexual predator? When they are a 13th stepper

What exactly do Smart NOT want you to Criticise about the stepper cult?

Its failure to actually work as a solution to a substance misuse problem
0% (0 votes)
Its tendancy to screw its victims minds up
0% (0 votes)
The extremly high suicide rate of the stepper cult
0% (0 votes)
Its conection with the Oxford Group cult
0% (0 votes)
Its totally insane indoctrination
0% (0 votes)
Its lying and fear-mongering
0% (0 votes)
Its sexual predator and child battering co-founders
0% (0 votes)
All of the above, in fact I dont think there is anything you can't legitamatly criticise about the stepper cult
100% (1 vote)
Total votes: 1

Morality and the stigma of drug addiction

Turns out if you poll 700 random Americans, most of them see drug addiction as a moral failing, not a treatable medical condition. That means regardless of the classification of drug addiction as a disease, it is still not viewed that way by the public. Consequently, drug addiction is based on making bad choices, so the crux of the issue is personal responsibility. The critical piece is what an addict does to break the pattern of self-enslavement. It might take an overdose or a prison sentence to force a decision. In any case, there are always choices.

Seriously Jim?

New tactic...........
compliment everyone on their astute observations so that maybe we will forget what your true agenda, which will undoubtedly rear it's head in no time flat, is. It already has but you got nailed on that one so you backed off and are now love-bombing.

You can't seriously think nobody is going notice.............

The UK is Experimenting with an old drug - 'Mild alcoholics' who want more than one glass of wine a day may be given a pill to reduce dependence.

'Mild alcoholics' who want more than one glass of wine a night to be given £3 pill to reduce dependence

By Sophie Borland Health Correspondent for the Daily Mail
Published: 12:15 EST, 2 October 2014 | Updated: 15:44 EST, 2 October 2014

12-Stepping Cartoons... They are Hilarious!

This may be old news but I came across some cartoons that I think are hilarious. A guy who calls himself commonsense has several of these but I liked these two the best. Don't Quit Before the Miracle Happens! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5-Q0lJTYek and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgDM_aGfY8

Orange hasn't been around in a while.

Hope he's okay.

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