Steppers please tell me

Steppers please tell me why oh! WHY....your version of God, who can be a doorknob or a watering can or whatever other crazy idea you choose, can only expel the obsession to drink alcohol and NOT miracle an individual to be able to drink normally like normies and thus solve the drink problem for ever.....ONCE AND FOR ALL.......PERMANEANT. Is it perhaps because steppism is nothing more than a lying, fear-mongering, coercive, predatory cult? Will somebody please answer this question just once as I consider this ONE question as fundamental to the whole 12 step concept.

I LOVE When Antis/AA Skeptics REACH People (ie. MIss Juliet):

Check this out!!!!

http://weagnosticsaa.com/2014/09/01/everythings-on-the-table/

Current blog entry from 9/2014:

I went to a traditional A.A. meeting today with the topic taken from Daily Reflections, a book that includes a daily quote from A.A. literature followed with commentary by an unnamed A.A. member.

Anne Smith and the 28 Oxford Group Principles

Anne Ripley Smith was the wife of Dr. Bob. She had a profound influence on the development of AA in its formative years and was known as the Mother of AA. Strangely, she is not well-known and there is little written about her or her influence on Bill W., the establishment of the 12 Steps and the content of the Big Book. Anne Smith was an Oxford Group member from 1933 to 1939 and kept a "spiritual journal" of her experiences and observations. This material comes from Dick B.'s Silkworth.net, the exhaustive and best-known AA history site:

Measuring Success?

Studies into the effectiveness of the 12 Step Program all have the same problem. There is no universally accepted definition of what 'success' means when treating addiction.

The positive side of my brainwash experience..

it was discovering what AA is that led to me being the way i am now, and its a good place to be. and im really greatful for that,shit dont i sound like a "stepper" now! getting brainwashed into a cult religion at a hospital,operated by the state,at 20 years of age really opened my eyes..although it took another twenty years for that lesson to sink in. my brain is on fire

This Should be Interesting...

AA’s 12 Steps don’t teach you how to stop drinking and neither do their meetings! Part Three- by Rolf Ankermann “The Promises”

I talked about “How It works” in the last blog and today I’ll cover the other most common reading spouted out at meetings; THE PROMISES.

It starts like this;

“If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.”

Hazelden Meditation for the Day 9-21-14

This is just off the wall, coming from medical professionals: http://www.hazelden.org/web/go/thought_24hrs?printable=true&showlogo=tru...

Same Feeling

When I was in Al-Anon I experienced that same feeling that I did growing up Catholic - that there was something wrong with me because I just didn't get it. I did't believe in God and I didn't get feelings of awe or serenity when I contemplated God's greatness. And I didn't get anything out of confession...

Is AA's 13th step justice process fair or unchecked bias and lies?

anyone who does not see AAs 13th step justice process as prone to extreme bias and abuse is not thinking critically or ethically. its absolutely sickening to me to see that AAs 13th step witch hunts are supported by opf members rather than using real court system actions that have many safe guards against biased witch hunting hysteria. AAs 13th step justice mechanism is AAs creation - but opf members support AA's 13th step justice process wo question. its sickening just sickening. its not justice in any way shape or form.

Are These Threats?

I'm being followed around the web by someone who goes by the handles Alkieanon, NahantSailor, and now Emma Knutt on this forum.

For your information... My name is Todd and I live in Franklin Massachusetts. This person has my personal information and has been making veiled threats for months.

I've reported the incidents to Orange and I hope that he will take care of the problem soon.

Here are some screen shots of the threats...

Acceptance

Janus, why is acceptance so great? If we just accepted things as they were, wouldn't Americans be working 12 hour workdays 7 days a week? Wouldn't black South Africans with AIDS all be dead because they couldn't get antiretrovirals? Wouldn't women still be denied the right the vote?

Spiritual, Not Religious

I can't believe AA gets away with this and AA members, some of them atheists, actually believe it. It's so obvious that it's a religion. Not only do the AA faithful get angry if you say it's a religion, some will disparage other religions!

AA caused me to drink more.

I can't count the times I cracked another beer and said to myself, "I'm powerless over this disease and so I might as well go with the flow and drink."

I wonder how many people there are out there who never may find the information contained in the Orange-Papers or other sources of such information. I'll bet there are alot of them.

The Power of Stepper Troll Provocateurs

As I look at the ebb and flow of things in OPF, I have to admit that I stand in awe of the power exerted here by in-house stepper trolls.

Coroners' Reports

How many coroners' report list 'attending meetings' or 'working the 12 steps' as the cause of death? One of the myths on this forum is that AA kills people who would otherwise survive. Common causes of deaths are - drunk driving, violent assault by someone who is intoxicated, drug overdose (accidental or deliberate), liver failure etc. Even moderate alcohol consumption raises the risk of heart disease, cancer and dementia.

How much time does "one" AA meetings take away from your real family for your AA family per occurance?

1 hr - AA Meetings are usually only 1 hour long
0% (0 votes)
30 minutes - Minimum drive time to the AA meeting back and forth
0% (0 votes)
40 minutes - Arrive 20 minutes before and leave 20 minutes after the AA meeting
0% (0 votes)
1 hr - going out for coffee with your AA family before or after AA meeting for coffee
0% (0 votes)
30 minutes talking with your AA Sponsor/Sponcee about the AA meeting
0% (0 votes)
1 hr - picking up or dropping off friends or prospects(newcomers) to the AA meeting
0% (0 votes)
All of the above at a minimum for each AA meeting
57% (4 votes)
Other-please explain in the comment section below the actual time spent by your experiences of attending AA meetings
43% (3 votes)
Total votes: 7

How Obamacare Is Killing AA’s Membership

http://www.thefix.com/content/how-obamacare-killing-aa%E2%80%99s-membership
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It has finally happened , the recovery industry now has sugar rehab

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/addiction-recovery-weight-gain-... There is far more money in treating an in curable family disease than curing one. The crafty simply create a new disease, to sell old treatment. One must wonder what direction this will go.

OK - So I like Controvery!

Many who post on the forum have overcome alcohol/drug issues. Doesn't AA deserve credit for that? Even if you didn't get better until after you left AA, is it possible that happened because of exposure AA/12 steps.

AA’s 12 Steps don’t teach you how to stop drinking and neither to their meetings! Part Two- by Rolf Ankermann

So in Part One I lambasted AA’s idiotic custom and “suggestion” that people who haven’t drank in years, identify themselves as alcoholics every time they speak. Again, it all just adds to the powerless and diseased for life message.

Are people in AA happier?

Are people sober through AA actually happier than people who gain sobriety out of it? I ask because this seems to be one of their big argument for participation. Being unhappy in sobriety is the mark of a dry drunk. I asked by husband and he said that he met plenty of people in AA who didn't seem happy. But I guess they weren't working a good program. Heh heh.

Removing liberal arts from college?

Here is a good article I found. The author is spot on. Some people will say this is off topic, but the point about liberal arts being pretty much worthless is VERY germane to the subject of Steppism and the substance abuse treatment industry:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/m-saccaro/2013/02/the-case-for-removing-almost-a...

There’s something severely wrong with postsecondary education in the United States.

Where is my mind? where did everyone go? or am i gone?

did i hear an aa dead horse beating around here?

REEFER MADNESS a 1930s anti mJ propganda movie.. hA!..its a big stigma fail now.

a local rock station use to promote this midnight movie in the early 70s - as a joke/protest.
because i was very liberal thinking and thus quite inoculated to gov stigma/propaganda.
i saw my addiction struggle as a one of life's valuable transcendence experiences.
by my own account i am an esoteric shaman. who transformed dependence into inner freedom.
lost a union job but became an engineer because of the problems i overcame. other wise i probably would have sat on my union ass and never been forced to learn to achieve more difficult goals,

Anti AA click ad

http://www.playbuzz.com/kennetha10/which-dead-aa-celebrity-are-you an anti AA click ad. I would say this movement has gained some maturity.

My last Alanon Meeting

My last Alanon Meeting

Yes I started attending with a bias. About 20 yrs after my spouse started AA. I was looking for two things:

1) reaffirm my thoughts
2) see where I was wrong.

I went to about 30 meetings in 20 days.

I must remain teachable?

What does that even mean?

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