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Bill Wilson:
Arrived at this point, we were squarely confronted with the question of faith. We couldn't duck the issue. Some of us had already walked far over the Bridge of Reason toward the desired shore of faith. The outlines and the promise of the New Land had brought lustre to tired eyes and fresh courage to flagging spirits. Friendly hands had stretched out in welcome. --Big Book pg. 53
Boniface: http://www.biography.com/people/st-boniface-9219073#becoming-a-missionary

Orangies Implosion in Process

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Support Janus, AntiDenial, Jim Battle, Simon Templar and NoAAUK.

Jim Battle counterfeit christian cunt

Fuck off Jim

Are Christians Narrow-minded? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 5)

Before A.A. came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen now? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In my last post we looked at the third reason, now let's look at the fourth.

4) It is narrow-minded to think that Jesus is the ONLY way.

Is Jim Battle a Asset or Liability to this forum.

A) Asset
29% (5 votes)
B) Liability
71% (12 votes)
Total votes: 17

JimBattle, AntiDenial, and NoAAUK

are cunts who don't give a shit about the suffering that goes on in the rooms. They don't care if you still care about some people in the rooms. This site is the best site, the most well known and unfortunately people do look here and they tell me WE ARE HATERS.

3rd Circuit Court upholds conviction of Timothy McGee for insider trading information he got at AA despite he had no "Fiduciary Duty" to be upheld because of AA and AA Clubhouse rules.

I apologize in advance for the legal talk this article involves. I believe that it is a US 3rd Circuit Court action that nullifies the "confidentiality" clause that AA and its Clubhouses try to claim as reasons that they can not be held accountable for the information they gather at AA meetings that they use for personal gain.

Is Christianity a Crutch? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 4)

Before A.A. came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen now? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In my last post we looked at the first two reasons, now let's look at the third.

3) Christianity is a crutch.

Book Club

My husband misses the community of AA. And, I have to admit, one of the few benefits I received from Al-Anon was the opportunity to interact with people socially. So my husband and I are forming a book club so we can hang out with friends, yet be able to discuss something other than how bat-shit crazy we are, our pathologies, and the 12-Steps.

Anti-medications program at the V.A.


BLOG NOTE: 2014.08.16:

An open letter to The FIX web site, a comment on an article about using mental techniques to
replace pain medications in Veterans:



A VA Clinic Tries a New Course

New England vets will be treated with a process called "ACT."

Veterans and others seeking relief from chronic pain could be spared joining the millions unwillingly addicted to narcotic pain pills. So what is "Acceptance Community Therapy?"

Performance Evaluation

I’m now >2 weeks short of 6 months since I signed up in this “forum” and the time is appropriate for me to do a 6-month Performance Evaluation (just like the one your supervisor does of you when you’re new on the job and still on probation status). This isn’t a self-evaluation; it’s my evaluation of what this forum has been to me, provided to me and done for me. Like typical employee evaluations, this one is based on a grading scale and it includes a bottom-line judgement of the overall value of the forum.

Does True Christianity Still "Work"? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 3)

Before AA came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen today? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In this post we will look at the first two.

1) Christians are hypocrites.

Very Offensive

When people attack me or Christians or Atheists on forums like this although I must admit to being offended, I accept that people will have different view points and may react to opposing beliefs........but when a Vietnam Combat Veteran is abused on this forum, more than once...I realise there is something seriously wrong with the OPF.

Timothy Aaron Arrington staff of a Christian troubled teen boarding school arrested in Salem, West Virginia for child abuse after choking a child until unconscious Aug. 14, 2014

In yet another incident abuse like the of Kids of New Jersey (Father Cassian Newton, aka Virgil Miller Newton) and Elan School in Poland, Maine another "troubled teen camp" is under investigation for abuses to children under it's care and 19 "students" have been removed from the camp by the state.

Miracle Meadows School employee arrested on charges of choking child

By Aaron Payne in News | August 14, 2014 at 10:48PM

Does Dim Babble have two dicks ?

Nobody could get that silly just playing with one.

Will driverless cars be the end of AA?

So I've been hearing a lot about technology that will allow cars to drive themselves. Some people have speculated that within 25 years or so, cars driven by humans will be a thing of the past. I don't know if this is true, but it would not surprise me. If driverless cars were to take hold, could this technology serve as the final nail in AA's coffin?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car

People in AA Reasonable?

I didn't think it was true, but there are reasonable people in AA. For me, AA just seems as ridiculous as turning to God for help with any other problem. I'm a non-believer, so it just doesn't make any sense. But I think some people are capable of having a healthy relationship with it.

the multidemensional way i ended up clean

some days i used will power some days i tried to forget it was happening some days i gave up hope and figured id use sooner or later anyhow and while not trying i accidentally ended up a year clean and figured i might as well keep going but i had relapses that hurt that reminded me of the pain so was that my will or just that my memory was not effected i did notice spirits flying around when i was using a lot of ______ so i did make an effort to be right with the god spirit that many imagine and the universe and so i made a supplication to take what ever pain was to come and readjust to the so

Who Made God? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 1)

Who made God? Well, a lot of very smart people have asked this question. After all, if everything has a beginning or is made out of something or had a creator, then people think God must have had one too! So, let’s think about it.

If someone made God, then you must have a bigger God who made that God . . . and a bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God. . . then a bigger, bigger, bigger God who made the bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God. You see, we could go on and on and on.

Rolf Ankermann was run over and killed by a Mack truck on September 13th, 2025.

This sad and tragic event was predetermined. In fact the mass of swirling electrons that will one day make up the various components of said truck are in a staff meeting right now ironing out the details.
Say what? Am I going to get run over by truck 11 years from now? Maybe, maybe not. One hundred years from now we will be able to go back in time and determine what actually did kill me, but was that predetermined years ago? If I DECIDE to go skydiving tomorrow without a parachute, the Mack truck doesn't have a chance.

Charles Manson is the son of early Alcoholics Anonymous Member

Born in November, 1934 to Kathleen Maddox in Cincinnati Ohio, General Hospital. His real father is thought to have been Colonel Walter Scott, however Kathleen married William Manson.

Kathleen (imprisoned in 1939) was an alcoholic who attended AA meetings in the early 1940’s. Even though she attended many meetings and met another husband (she had several) Lewis ?, at a Ohio meeting. Kathleen was able to maintain periodic sobriety but Lewis did not. Neither were long time members.

I wonder if young Charlie (8-12 years old) attend meetings with his parents?

Bill Wilson Speaks AGAINST Alcoholics Anonymous!

The following is an email I recently received from a man who lives in England. I forwarded this email to Orange after receiving permission from the writer to post it on the OPF. He wrote:

"Susan and God" a 1940 a comedy-drama film released by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer about a woman based on the Oxford Group that spawned AA.

Source on Orange Papers main site-
"It turns out that MGM made a movie that satirized Dr. Frank Buchman's Oxford Group / Moral Re-Armament cult back in 1940, called "Susan and God" http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters99.html#Susan_and_God

Youtube Source: Published on Dec 31, 2013

Some Important Differences Between Alcoholics Anonymous and Christianity

Several of the Twelve Steps of AA refer to "God" or a “Higher Power”. The program encourages you to seek the assistance of this "Higher Power" in order to free yourself from so-called alcoholism. And AA says things in a way that reminds people of principles in the Bible. (This is one of the things that fool many who believe in Jesus Christ.)

Mission Statement?

"The reason for the existence of the forum is to make it possible for people to help each other to get over both alcohol abuse and cult religion. Anything that defeats that purpose is counter-productive, and can hurt people, and that can't go on." ~Orange

Maybe an open appeal to Orange might work?

Please only post here if you want Orange to get rid of Jim Battle, and only post once so it will accurately show numbers. Don't post on this thread if you want Jim Battle to stay. It might cause confusion and exaggerate the numbers against him.

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