Will driverless cars be the end of AA?

So I've been hearing a lot about technology that will allow cars to drive themselves. Some people have speculated that within 25 years or so, cars driven by humans will be a thing of the past. I don't know if this is true, but it would not surprise me. If driverless cars were to take hold, could this technology serve as the final nail in AA's coffin?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car

People in AA Reasonable?

I didn't think it was true, but there are reasonable people in AA. For me, AA just seems as ridiculous as turning to God for help with any other problem. I'm a non-believer, so it just doesn't make any sense. But I think some people are capable of having a healthy relationship with it.

the multidemensional way i ended up clean

some days i used will power some days i tried to forget it was happening some days i gave up hope and figured id use sooner or later anyhow and while not trying i accidentally ended up a year clean and figured i might as well keep going but i had relapses that hurt that reminded me of the pain so was that my will or just that my memory was not effected i did notice spirits flying around when i was using a lot of ______ so i did make an effort to be right with the god spirit that many imagine and the universe and so i made a supplication to take what ever pain was to come and readjust to the so

Who Made God? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 1)

Who made God? Well, a lot of very smart people have asked this question. After all, if everything has a beginning or is made out of something or had a creator, then people think God must have had one too! So, let’s think about it.

If someone made God, then you must have a bigger God who made that God . . . and a bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God. . . then a bigger, bigger, bigger God who made the bigger, bigger God who made the bigger God who made God. You see, we could go on and on and on.

Rolf Ankermann was run over and killed by a Mack truck on September 13th, 2025.

This sad and tragic event was predetermined. In fact the mass of swirling electrons that will one day make up the various components of said truck are in a staff meeting right now ironing out the details.
Say what? Am I going to get run over by truck 11 years from now? Maybe, maybe not. One hundred years from now we will be able to go back in time and determine what actually did kill me, but was that predetermined years ago? If I DECIDE to go skydiving tomorrow without a parachute, the Mack truck doesn't have a chance.

Charles Manson is the son of early Alcoholics Anonymous Member

Born in November, 1934 to Kathleen Maddox in Cincinnati Ohio, General Hospital. His real father is thought to have been Colonel Walter Scott, however Kathleen married William Manson.

Kathleen (imprisoned in 1939) was an alcoholic who attended AA meetings in the early 1940’s. Even though she attended many meetings and met another husband (she had several) Lewis ?, at a Ohio meeting. Kathleen was able to maintain periodic sobriety but Lewis did not. Neither were long time members.

I wonder if young Charlie (8-12 years old) attend meetings with his parents?

Bill Wilson Speaks AGAINST Alcoholics Anonymous!

The following is an email I recently received from a man who lives in England. I forwarded this email to Orange after receiving permission from the writer to post it on the OPF. He wrote:

"Susan and God" a 1940 a comedy-drama film released by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer about a woman based on the Oxford Group that spawned AA.

Source on Orange Papers main site-
"It turns out that MGM made a movie that satirized Dr. Frank Buchman's Oxford Group / Moral Re-Armament cult back in 1940, called "Susan and God" http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters99.html#Susan_and_God

Youtube Source: Published on Dec 31, 2013

Some Important Differences Between Alcoholics Anonymous and Christianity

Several of the Twelve Steps of AA refer to "God" or a “Higher Power”. The program encourages you to seek the assistance of this "Higher Power" in order to free yourself from so-called alcoholism. And AA says things in a way that reminds people of principles in the Bible. (This is one of the things that fool many who believe in Jesus Christ.)

Mission Statement?

"The reason for the existence of the forum is to make it possible for people to help each other to get over both alcohol abuse and cult religion. Anything that defeats that purpose is counter-productive, and can hurt people, and that can't go on." ~Orange

Maybe an open appeal to Orange might work?

Please only post here if you want Orange to get rid of Jim Battle, and only post once so it will accurately show numbers. Don't post on this thread if you want Jim Battle to stay. It might cause confusion and exaggerate the numbers against him.

"Recovery"- Local Style

Shortly after I moved to this area nearly ten years ago, the first person I met was an older guy- “Gene” was 50 years old, clean and sober, and participated in a Program.

Jim Battle's Best week on OPF

It's been a ripper, there was a week around christmass that's hard to top but I believe the mans done it it this week, a few other occaisions he's been close to a melt-down or gone a bit mindless but for sheer idiocy,miss truths, heartlessness, meanness of spirit not to mention a flood of spam, oh nearly forgot childishness this weeks been best effort yet. A more failed preacher much less christian you'll never see.

Is Jim Battle suffering from untreated syphilis?

0% (0 votes)
25% (1 vote)
Only explanation for his behaviour
75% (3 votes)
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 4

Who Do You Believe Is Causing Problems On This Forum?

A} - Christians
40% (2 votes)
B} - Atheists
20% (1 vote)
C} - Anti-theists
40% (2 votes)
Total votes: 5

Atheism is NOT Causing Any Problems on This Forum and Neither is Christianity

The religion called "atheism" is not causing any problems on this forum and neither is Christianity. Why do I say this? Because atheism is simply disbelief in the existence of any gods, including the God that has provided proof of His existence. And many atheists even openly deny the existence of any God or gods. However, this has never caused the kind of disruption that we see taking place these days on the OPF. The disruption we see is being caused by a small group of members whose religion is "anti-theism".

Is Nothing Sacred?... Alcoholics Anonymous

Here is a photo of Robin Williams at an AA meeting.

Bill W. schizophrenia?

I once suffered from alcoholism, but people are not so wise to the fact that I suffer also from schizophrenia, split personality. I have a personality say as a patriarch of A.A., founding father, if you like, and I also have a personality as an A.A. member and between these personalities is a terrific gulf.

Robin Williams -- Parkinson’s Disease

In light of the disclosure today that Robin Williams was in the early stages of Parkinson’s Disease, it would seem that Janus’s cold, callous, disrespectful, unkind and intrinsically stepper cult-serving speculation yesterday that “... Robin Williams' financial crisis, not to mention his fading career and lifelong depression should...be held responsible for his death...” was as premature and off-base as it was all the other things I’ve called that speculation. As I said earlier, great self-revelation job, Janus. Anything to save stepper cult face, as always...

Should We Say "Rest In Peace" When Someone Commits Suicide?

Here is why I believe that Rolf's "RIP Mork" message is very dangerous. RIP means "Rest In Peace". Rolf obviously believes that Robin Williams has escaped his depression (and all other problems) by committing suicide. However, this (indirectly) encourages others to believe that they too can escape all of their problems the same way.

I know that Rolf is saying that what Robin did is a very sad thing, and I agree. However, I would not encourage others to do the same by sending the message that this is a way to find everlasting peace.

Inventory Taking

Inventory taking is not supposed to be an exercise in self-flagellation. An inventory is simply a list of what is there.

When you take an inventory of the contents of your house you simply list what is there - bookcase, chairs, table etc. You don't beat yourself up about how ugly your bookcases or hate yourself because your chairs are cheap. People who are prone to beat themselves up will of course find any excuse to do so. Something they could put on their inventory is 'a tendency to beat myself up. The process should be done with detachment.

1952 News: Bill Wilson brings amazing spiritual experience.

Buffalo Courier Express, May 31, 1952

Norman Vincent Peale tells the story about Bill Wilson's "strange power" to cure alcoholism.

"That man in Brooklyn was un-
known then; he is famous now as
'Bill,' the founder of Alcoholics
Anonymous. He talked to my friend
from the waterfront about his theory
that people who had been through
the same problem could help each

And then Bill said, "but, most
important, you have got to put your
trust in a Higher Power."

Robin Williams

I sadly note the passing of Robin Williams, dead from suicide. Now there is another guy who
had major drug and alcohol problems, and he seemed to have beaten them, but didn't beat the depression.
Chronic depression is a major problem for so many, from Bill Wilson to Robin Williams.

"Secular and Sober: Beating Alcoholism Without AA" Ellenbeth Wachs Anti-AA activist. March 2011 - 78,681 views as of Aug. 13, 2014

Uploaded on May 1, 2011

(note: this video was originally released in March 2011 as part of the "In Your Words" series. It has been re-formatted, re-titled and re-uploaded for greater accessibility to viewers relating to the issues of substance abuse and the relevance of Alcoholics Anonymous.)

Does Alcoholics Anonymous provide help and hope to addicts, or is the constant reliance on a Higher Power a crutch to keep the addicted from finding true solutions.

Video Clip Shows A Famous God-hating Scientist Lying About Jesus Christ

Richard Dawkin's (a scientist and very popular God-hater) wrote a Book called "The God Delusion". In this book, he wrote that historians are arguing over whether or not Jesus actually existed. However, Professor John Lennox told him that he had talked to the historians and that this is not true. Professor Lennox then asked him why he would write something like this (knowing it wasn't true).

AA + Sobriety = Sobriety

If the path to sobriety is to abstain from alcohol while going to AA and practicing the steps, then what is AA adding to the equation. Zero.


Now that the facts have emerged about Robin Williams' financial crisis, not to mention his fading career and lifelong depression should AA be held responsible for his death?


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