Science. AA style.

Stepper:

Where in the 12 steps does it actually insist that you attend or become a member of the stepper cult?

Nowhere
33% (1 vote)
Still can’t see attendance at or becoming a member of the stepper cult being actually mentioned in the 12 steps
33% (1 vote)
Nope, cant see any mention of AA in the 12 steps
33% (1 vote)
Total votes: 3

Remembering Bill C. (Help needed)

I think about Bill C. a lot. I think about his hopes, dreams, and accomplishments. I wonder what sort of man he was and could have become. It breaks my heart to think that he is widely known as the guy who stole shit from Bill Wilson's testing lab, err, apartment. I somehow doubt his story is accurately described in the Big Book. If anyone had any info on Bill C., even his last name, it would mean the world to me if you shared it.

Thanks so much.

Atheist Weeps For Jesus.

Did anyone actually have a pleasant time at the stepper cult?

Yes, I thought attending stepper cult meetings was absolutely enjoyable and I would recommend this cult to all and sundry
0% (0 votes)
I also enjoyed those meetings but I'm a control freak and just love bossing about frightened victims
0% (0 votes)
Yes, I also enjoyed stepper cult meetings when I scored with the opposite sex, I'm one of the many sexual predators
50% (1 vote)
No, I never enjoyed any of those macabre meetings, I went because I thought it was jails, institutions or death if in didn’t
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

How much time did you waste worrying about those 'mental blank spots' the steppers like to frighten victims with?

Months
0% (0 votes)
Years
0% (0 votes)
Decades
50% (1 vote)
Don’t remember, but it was a lot of wasted time on my part, another scare mongering cult recruitment tool
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

Something Else that Some OPF Members Don’t Want You to Know

A couple of the most outspoken OPF members claim to be Christians. However, if you compare their speech and personal views with the truth told in the first half of this video you will see that they are not real Christians. This video also shows how Bible-hating OPF members are very dishonest and/or very ignorant when it comes to evidence that the Bible is telling the truth:

If you want to stay sober…

You have to base your decisions and your plans on “ I will never drink again, I will never change my mind.
That is all there is to it.
I have worked this plan for over 44 years.
Every thing else is just a bag of bull shit.
Soberman
02/22/1970

wilson lied and millions died - that's the real AA story

wilson lied and millions died - that's the real AA story

It's just about selling books

Reading the comments of 12 steppers on various websites regarding the recent publication of books critical of AA has been entertaining. One of the arguments frequently used by the steppers to discredit authors who criticize AA is that the authors "just want to sell books" or are "more interested in selling books than helping people", etc.

"Writers in Treatment" announce that 6 month old Addiction/Recovery eBulletin is "most referred to, linked, and talked about information and entertainment resource in the recovery industry"

While I have just become aware of this news source, it does appear to have have more information than many others. It is published weekly by email and online and has had 30 issues so far. Some of the same content, but often overlooked stuff also. It appears to be a type of news aggregation on the recovery field with a slight twist. For example Lance Dodes interview on NPR about his book "The Sober Truth" is filed under the title "AA Doesn’t Work! Except for Millions AUDIO: A Moron Speaks – Doctor Debunks 12-Step Recovery AUDIO."

What's trending on Twitter this week?

William G. Wilson ,
Here's what's trending on Twitter this week. William G. Wilson

CH CONCEPTS @ChemicalHealth
Read summary or listen to today's NPR interview - Dr. Lance Dodes - AA works for only 10% and harms the other 90% npr.org/2014/03/23/291…

23 Mar
With Sobering Science, Doctor Debunks 12-Step Recovery
The approach made popular by Alcoholics Anonymous doesn't work for most people, according to psychiatrist Lance Dodes. In fact, he says, the steps can actually be harmful to the majority of addicts.

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Secrets make you sick

This is yet another cliche that was repeatedly used on me in my time in AA. Whenever I just got on with my life and was fairly together and ok, I would not have much contact with my sponsor, only go to a few meetings here and there and not stay around for cuppa and chats or socialise outside of meetings! This was often stated to me by members!

Jesus Christ Delivers a Drug Addicted Track Star (Video)

Sorry about the double-post. Watch this short video of an amazing life changing story for Kim Daniels, a drug addict when she accepted Jesus.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kim+daniels+tesimony+youtube&FORM=VI...

Jesdus Christ Delivers a Drug Addicted Track Star (Video)

Watch this short video of an amazing life changing story for Kim Daniels, a drug addict when she accepted Jesus.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kim+daniels+tesimony+youtube&FORM=VI...

"Randomized Clinical Study" for new sobriety/intervention Smartphone App with GPS monitoring called A-CHESS released.

Sobriety app with panic button helps addicts stay on the wagon

According to the first large, randomized clinical trial to test this kind of stop-drinking app, 52 percent of users stayed dry for a year after leaving treatment, as opposed to only 40 percent of a control group that didn't have the app.

by Elizabeth Armstrong Moore @ejamoore March 27, 2014 4:00 AM PDT, Updated: March 27, 2014 4:00 AM PDT

Real Science Points to the Existence of God! God DOES Exists!

Real science demonstrates that an all-powerful Supreme Being, of infinite intelligence, carefully provided more than sufficient proof to remove all doubt that He exists. To read article go to:
http://rcg.org/books/dge.html# Jim Two Battle's Blogs: http://orangepapersforumandreligion.blogspot.com/
http://the-gospel-made-plain.blogspot.com/

CRAIGSLIST RECOVERY FORUMS

Craigslist has community monitored forums for specific topics.
Community monitored means that the forums operate on a flagging system allowing for the tyranny of the majority... People with unpopular opinions get flagged off the boards. This allows AA members to dominate the forums and get rid of any opposing posters as they please.
I am posting here today to ask you to participate in an organized flagging campaign against AA members on that forum so that we can take over the forum and give them a bit of their own business.

Well, apparently someone thought it was a good idea to make THIS image.

So I googled the term "13th step memes" (there was a specific one I was looking for that I wanted to show a friend of mine), and under the image results, I stumbled across this.

Yeah, I thought some of you guys might appreciate that one.

Quicksand: The Darker Side of 12-Step Programs

The way 12-Step programs are presented is often not what people find after they become involved. You will be expected to surrender your will, your mind, and your life to "The Program."

Source: http://www.lulu.com/shop/c-a-sheckels/quicksand/paperback/product-21543010...

$elling $pirituality.

What, by definition, does not exist.

Is passing the basket a form of guilt induction, coercion.

* Books
* Conventions
* DVDs
* T-shirts
* Buttons
* Posters
* Coffee mugs
* 'Special' anniversary chips
* Keychains

Ad infinitum.

Is it true that $600,000,000 in profit makes it way to a very select few in the upper echelon of AA in New York every year.

Passion for Something Not Understood, or The Blind Leading the Blind.

Here we have Just For Today almost/daily/foryears

Posting about "In seeking a sponsor", the exact opposite of the clear 'directions' laid out in "How It Works".

How does one become so apparently passionate about something, for so long, without gaining some basic understanding of it.

What happened to David Cassidy of the Partridge Family?

David Cassidy - Come On Get Happy - 8/11/13 - Chicago

David Cassidy gets probation, rehab for DUI conviction

By Alan Duke, CNN
March 26, 2014 -- Updated 0040 GMT (0840 HKT)

IMPORTANT!!! First read below! - The Scientific Case for the Existence of God! (What Some OPF Members Don't Want You to Know)

A few months ago, I noticed that some OPF members were doing something very strange. The reason that I am not going to tell you about it on this blog is because, from time to time, someone uses their internet skills to make it impossible open the comments and read them. Realizing they might do the same thing to THIS post, I have place it on another blog. The link below will take you there:

New Blog: http://orangepapersforumandreligion.blogspot.com/

More corks popping.

This scares the hell out of them. I wonder why.

Like what exactly?

You, 12 step religion adherents, make the grandiose claim;

"our Creator has entered into our hearts and lives in a way which is indeed miraculous. He has commenced to accomplish those things for us which we could never do by ourselves."

What exactly did "your Creator do for you, that you could not do for your self?

"It's spiritual not religious"

time nor limitation. But that was as far as I had gone.

With ministers, and the world's religions, I parted right there. When
they talked of a God personal to me, who was love, superhuman strength
and direction, I became irritated and my mind snapped shut against such
a theory.

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