Who really wrote the Bible?

Revealing the hidden contradictions in the Bible?
A Mass of Variant Different Views
Taken from the book "Jesus, Intertupted by Bart D. Ehrman

Mindfulness Part Two

Ok, before it slips my “mind”, back to the mindfulness discussion (heehee I couldn’t resist)
(see 3/28 blog for part 1)

At its core, mindfulness is all about being present, living in the now. It’s origins of course go back to the Buddhist idea of being in the now and allowing it to just be. I take a bit of different stance in that, while I agree with it, I also believe that you need to be present, but with intent. I’ll come back full circle to what I mean by that in the concluding paragraphs.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Have you been 13th Stepped?

Have you been 13th Stepped?
I’m a producer for CBS NEWS. We’re working on a story that focuses on safety issues coming out of contacts made at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. If you feel you’ve been harassed or “13thStepped” by someone you met at an AA meeting, I’d like to talk with you. Also, if you discovered that person was “court-mandated” to attend AA, please contact me.

Please call me at (212) 975-5842, or email clarkl@cbsnews.com

Owner of Nomadian Community Resource Center (12 Step Club) in Seattle caught selling Narcotics likely to receive probation due to failing health.

Caught dealing painkillers at Seattle Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, Vietnam vet looks for mercy

Seriously ill man unlikely to see prison for drug sales to addicts at his Hillman City non-profit
BY LEVI PULKKINEN, SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF
Published 9:41 pm, Thursday, April 3, 2014

Michael Shepard started his adult life in uniform in Vietnam, then spent much it destitute, drug-addicted and mentally ill.

Thanks only to a deal with federal prosecutors, the 65-year-old probably won’t finish it in a prison cell.

Books I am reading with respect to the "BIBLE"

I AM listening to and reading these 4 books written by Dr. Bart D. Ehrman.
1. Jesus Interrupted
2.Peter Paul and Mary Magdalene
3. Misquoting Jesus
4. Did Jesus exist

I have started with Paul. You can purchase these books from audible.
There are some real good debates with Dr. Ehrman on you-tube.
Soberman

What has any of this stepper cult indoctrination about the 12 steps, etc., actually got to do with substance misuse?

Everything, God just loves everybody to be scared shitless into accepting His 12 step message to mankind
0% (0 votes)
Nothing, its just 1930's lying, scare mongering, coercive predatory cult that preys upon people with a substance misuse problem
75% (3 votes)
Other, please specify in comments
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Too stupid not to respond......

OK, sometimes stupid is just too irresistible not to respond to. Here’s my first exchange on the “Atlantic” this morning;

“Lots of AA and other Anonymous members of other groups are atheists. Their dog is their "Higher Power", or the meeting is their "higher power", whatever. If you think it's a cult, you've never been to a meeting or met someone who was really helped by a 12-step program. You're just ignorant”

Which of the following addiction treatment/aftercare options are concidered "Religious" by definition? Please leave comment.

Smart Recovery
0% (0 votes)
SOS
0% (0 votes)
Rational Recovery
0% (0 votes)
Harm Reduction (HAMS, Moderation Management, etc)
0% (0 votes)
All of the above
0% (0 votes)
Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)/Narcotics Anonymous(NA)
0% (0 votes)
Acoholics Victorous(AV), Celebrate Recovery(CR)
0% (0 votes)
All 12 Step (AA/NA/AV/CR)
100% (7 votes)
All of the Above (All Recovery Programs)
0% (0 votes)
Other (Please Comment)
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 7

March 2014 - Golden Doorknob Award - Nomination

: . . : . . Skepticism is fear, humor often stems from fear < LIVEdontjustexist > 03/30 16:35

ALL RECOVERY & TREATMENT PROGRAMS ARE RELIGIOUS, INCLUDING THE "SECULAR" PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROMOTED ON THIS FORUM

If you can't open this post to read more, you can go to my blog and read it. The link below will take you there:

Blog: http://orangepapersforumandreligion.blogspot.com/

Watch the following 4-minute video BEFORE you read the rest of this post. Then I will make it very clear how what the speaker said relates to my statement about all treatment and recovery programs. Below is the link to this video titled "Is Secular Humanism a religion or just a worldview?"

MMT and 12-Step Groups: Stigma Persists

From the Substance Matters blog of Dr. Mark Willenbring comes more evidence of the anti-medication stance in AA and NA.
http://mattsub.blogspot.com/2013/12/mmt-and-12-step-groups-stigma-persis...
When patients were asked about their experience regarding their use of methadone maintenance treatment at NA and AA meetings:
43-45% received negative comments about methadone use
22-23% were pressured to reduce the dose of methadone

We Have Decided Not to Revive Stinkin' Thinkin'. Here's Why:

Those of you who were active on Stinkin' Thinkin' when we decided to shut it down should remember that there were several dramatic episodes, over the last year, that lead up to that point. Dealing with those, while trying to maintain a schedule of daily updates and occasional essays, became a full-time job, which neither one of us could maintain. We tried to delegate responsibility, but that ended up generating more grief.

Warning Mexico about AA & Testifying for the Lord Jesus Christ

After you read this report, watch the short video stories of two former atheists who believe they died and went to Hell. Both of these men are doctors with PhDs. One is an "alcoholic" physician who partied with famous people like Ringo Starr of The Beetles and Hoyt Axton. Clink this link to watch "To Hell and Back" - http://the-gospel-made-plain.blogspot.com/.

Martin Sheen inducts Earl Hightower into the Drug Court Hall of Fame (He's a paid bounty hunter/interventionist for Rehabs)

Published on Feb 26, 2014

NADCP CEO West Huddleston and Martin Sheen induct Earl Hightower into the Stanley M. Goldstein Drug Court Hall of Fame for his incredible service to the Drug Court movement and addicted people everywhere. Induction into the Hall of Fame is the highest honor bestowed by the National Association of Drug Court Professionals.

Professonals

If there are AA supporting professonals, such as doctors and such, I would like to debate with you on this forum or in some other public venue such as a call in show or whatever.

i lived a real live night mare in aa

talking about the feelings helped me
i tried to fit in aa with that as my reason for 15 yrs - now 15yrs gone
but i was always getting badmouthed for it
the popes endlessly undermined me
i needed a lot of therapy after i left just for that
as if that wasn't bad enough
i ran into trouble with devil worshipers
numerous people i personally heard say they made the devils bargain
there were many others who hung extra tight with them so imagined they were too

I'm Breaking Up With the Word 'Addict' and I Hope You'll Do the Same

Meghan Ralston
Harm Reduction Manager, Drug Policy Alliance
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/meghan-ralston/breaking-up-with-the-word-a...

Posted: 03/25/2014 1:06 pm EDT Updated: 03/25/2014 1:59 pm EDT

Science. AA style.

Stepper:

Where in the 12 steps does it actually insist that you attend or become a member of the stepper cult?

Nowhere
33% (1 vote)
Still can’t see attendance at or becoming a member of the stepper cult being actually mentioned in the 12 steps
33% (1 vote)
Nope, cant see any mention of AA in the 12 steps
33% (1 vote)
Total votes: 3

Remembering Bill C. (Help needed)

I think about Bill C. a lot. I think about his hopes, dreams, and accomplishments. I wonder what sort of man he was and could have become. It breaks my heart to think that he is widely known as the guy who stole shit from Bill Wilson's testing lab, err, apartment. I somehow doubt his story is accurately described in the Big Book. If anyone had any info on Bill C., even his last name, it would mean the world to me if you shared it.

Thanks so much.

Atheist Weeps For Jesus.

Did anyone actually have a pleasant time at the stepper cult?

Yes, I thought attending stepper cult meetings was absolutely enjoyable and I would recommend this cult to all and sundry
0% (0 votes)
I also enjoyed those meetings but I'm a control freak and just love bossing about frightened victims
0% (0 votes)
Yes, I also enjoyed stepper cult meetings when I scored with the opposite sex, I'm one of the many sexual predators
50% (1 vote)
No, I never enjoyed any of those macabre meetings, I went because I thought it was jails, institutions or death if in didn’t
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

How much time did you waste worrying about those 'mental blank spots' the steppers like to frighten victims with?

Months
0% (0 votes)
Years
0% (0 votes)
Decades
50% (1 vote)
Don’t remember, but it was a lot of wasted time on my part, another scare mongering cult recruitment tool
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

Something Else that Some OPF Members Don’t Want You to Know

A couple of the most outspoken OPF members claim to be Christians. However, if you compare their speech and personal views with the truth told in the first half of this video you will see that they are not real Christians. This video also shows how Bible-hating OPF members are very dishonest and/or very ignorant when it comes to evidence that the Bible is telling the truth:

If you want to stay sober…

You have to base your decisions and your plans on “ I will never drink again, I will never change my mind.
That is all there is to it.
I have worked this plan for over 44 years.
Every thing else is just a bag of bull shit.
Soberman
02/22/1970

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