Dave Mustaine

So I was surfing Wikipedia today and came across this quote. It struck me because this type of magical thinking epitomizes the stepper mindset:


Addiction is a Disease like many other

Chronic Diseases......and that is the message you will find if you go to this website....supposedly to be informed....about Addiction...


"Addiction is a chronic disease similar to other chronic diseases such as type II diabetes, cancer, and cardiovascular disease."

Yearly distribution and frequency of Alcoholic/addict major movies from IBDm database

Yearly frequency and distribution of Alcoholics/Addict movies from IMDB http://www.imdb.com/list/ls050657088/ Why is there a difference in movies per year? Do the dates have the anything to do with it?
1945 - *
1948 - *
1949 - **
1952 - *
1955 - **
1956 - *
1957 - *
1958 - ***
1963 - *
1966 - *
1969 - *
1970 - **
1971 - *
1973 - ****
1981 - **
1984 - **
1987 - **
1988 - **
1989 - *
1991 - **

“Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,” star Kim Richards pleads "not guilty" and uses the US court sanctioned 52 Week AA get out of jail card!

Breaking News: Kim Richards Pleads NOT Guilty to Charges of Resisting Arrest and Battery

Posted on Jun 11 2015 - 4:36pm by Avigai

Breaking News — “Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,” star Kim Richards, 50, has pled NOT guilty to the three misdemeanor charges she’s facing after getting arrested on April 16 at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

Gunthar-Gate: Say "Goodnight" Gracie!

Thanks, Orange, for banning the Character Assassin who maligned numerous good people.

J.R. Harris!!!!

I totally can't believe this. This is so awesome. I clicked on Avo's link, and J.R. Harris is cited in a LAW REVIEW ARTICLE!!!!!!


See JR Harris, Murderpedia.org Highlights a Few of the Murderers in Alcoholics Anonymous—I Believe They Need a Few More Current Entries, ORANGE PAPERS (July 5, 2012, 9:13 PM), http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/1840.

Applying the Clergy Privilege to Certain AA Communications



Interesting examination of AA member relationships as it pertains to the law, and an argument suggesting that it receive the the same privileges as religious clergy.

The author received first prize from the Cornell Law Library "Robert Cantwell" competition for exemplary student research.

Stepper Cult Tip

A 'Billy Can' makes an excellent 'Higher Power' for aspiring Australian Stepper cult gurus


One of the most ridiculous statement made by a Big Bill who is leading the discussion is always made at the end of the meeting. Everyone gathers around holding hands and Big Bill ask his most important question to the group. Who up there keeps us all sober? And now all together everyone says the "Our Father" Prayer". Sometimes I would yell out "The Lone Ranger". Soberman

The AA TIMES International pseudo Grapevine Magazine of Alcoholics Anonymous from down under in Australia


"This website provides information about Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings in Melbourne and around the state of Victoria in Australia.

The Hate Whisperer

Do Eskimo steppers hold their AA meetings in an Igloo?

Yes of course they do, where else do you think they would hold them?
0% (0 votes)
In church basements like everybody else
0% (0 votes)
What.....Igloo church basements?
100% (2 votes)
Total votes: 2

Stepper Cult Tip

An Igloo makes an ideal Higher Power for an aspiring Eskimo Stepper Cult Guru

Super Sponsor & circle jerking

Regular forum users would be aware, Super Sponsor & circle jerk are one & the same. Circle jerk being a game of masturbation played by homesexual men, his 2nd moniker, as witnessed by his comments, obviously is the name more suited to this user. Circle jerk (or even more rightly, Mr Masturbation) is a man serverly damaged by 12 step programming, a man who missed the goal of abstinance, missed the serenity, as most people do & became the twisted piss poor poster before us today, a fanatical stepper, mostly incoherent, who cannot keep he's hands off it.

If you went back to AA, would you take those cult meetings serious these days?

Yes I would still take AA meetings very seriously, I believe a doorknob can miracle me into stopping drinking and remove etc etc
0% (0 votes)
....er...no LOL
100% (2 votes)
Total votes: 2

The making of 25 AA Alcoholics/Addicts in AA. Many have never heard of these before?

1. Stephen King - "1987 Intervention"
2. Robin Williams -
3. Ben Affleck- "entered rehab in 2001"
4. Michael J. Fox
5. Jamie Lee Curtis - "addiction to alcohol and pain killers in 1999"
6. Diana Ross - "entered Promises Rehab center in 2002, was arrested a few months later for DUI'
7. Mel Gibson - 'In 2006, Gibson was infamously arrested on a DUI"
8. Johnny Depp -
9. Mickey Mantle - "addicted to alcohol and played almost every game either drunk or hung-over"
10. Billie Holiday

Drunks (1995) - Richard Lewis, Faye Dunaway, Dianne Wiest,,,etc

Published on Jan 18, 2014

Actor-comedian Richard Lewis and Academy Award winners Faye Dunaway and Dianne Wiest lead an all-star case that includes Amanda Plummer, Parker Posey, Spalding Gray, Calista Flockhart and Sam Rockwell in this poignant story of friendship, survival and redemption.

OPF Serial Character Killer (Nonfiction)

In the coming days the true story of the OPHF serial character killer (American Psycho) will unfold before your eyes. The OPF American Psycho is of course Gunthar2000. The true tale of the American Psycho's attempts to assassinate the character of 3 people will be told. The tale will also include the exploits of the American Psycho's sidekick, JR Harrassment, the angry cuckolded ex-husband. Stay tuned you angry dry drunks.

A all loving God as we understand Him?

Can you imagine a all loving God as we understand Him to permit a sick 20 year old while boy to go into a all Black Christian Church and kill 11 of its members? Soberman

Is an NA or AA sponsor legally a "counselor or therapist"?

Should sponsors be regarded as a counselor and held up to the same standards and responsibilities?

The state of Iowa defines a counselor or therapist as “a physician, psychologist, nurse, professional counselor, social worker, marriage or family therapist, alcohol or drug counselor, member of the clergy, or any other person, whether or not licensed or registered by the state, who provides or purports to provide mental health services”.

"Danger Thin Ice!" and a history of the blogs critical of Alcoholics Anonymous

While perusing through http://www.dangerthinice.org/aa.htm I noticed that many of the blogs critical about AA have ceased to exist. I remember most of them, but they have since gone by the wayside. One that is still available is Triple A Comix and the adventures of Mildew Man.

How many of the other sites do you remember that are now dormant or non existent?

'GRESHAM'S LAW & ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS" from "24 Magazine" July 1976 - The three types of AA members. Which ones have you come across?


There are three ways to work the program of Alcoholics Anonymous. (1) The strong, original way, proved powerfully and reliably effective over forty years. (2) A medium way - not so strong, not so safe, not so sure, not so good, but still effective. And (3) a weak way, which turns out to be really no way at all but literally a heresy, a false teaching, a twisting corruption of what the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous clearly stated the program to be.

Nothing Changes If Nothing Changes

You can take the people out of the rooms, but you can't take the rooms out of the people.

It appears AA did more damage to certain ex-members than they care to admit. What has gone on in this forum is just as bad or worse than anything I ever saw in the rooms.

If you want to help someone recover from AA, there are resources available that will help them. Unfortunately, the Orange Papers Forum is not one of them.

AA member and sponsor charged with attempted murder and sexual abuse


Found a link to this story on NADaytona.org which has done a great job in keeping up with current events in the alcoholics and narcotics anonymous community.

Mark Retterah from Osage, Iowa - the alleged victim's sponsor in Alcoholics Anonymous, has been charge with sexual abuse crimes and attempted murder.

Orange Papers Hate Forum Slogans

hate and let hate
hateful does it
but for the grace of hate
hateful things first

The HOW of the Orangies=hateful, offended, and whiny

I can't; he can; I think I'll hate him (steps 1,2,3)
I came; I came to; I came to hate (steps 1,2,3)

In your opinion, what part of the cult characteristics of Alcoholics Anonymous should be stopped.

AA working with the court system to push their pseudo religion on convicts.
0% (0 votes)
AA working with the school systems to push their pseudo religion on children.
0% (0 votes)
AA working with licensing boards to push their pseudo religion on licensed members.
0% (0 votes)
AA working with the churches to push their pseudo religion on church members.
0% (0 votes)
AA should not push their pseudo religion on anyone.
75% (3 votes)
AA should only work with part of the above. Please explain your answer in the comments.
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Yippee, Yahoo....I cannot believe it...

it's true, it is is true....


Silver Damsen has formulated a letter to judges.....that includes alternatives to AA and there is no mention of Rolf Ankermann, Freedom to Recover or 12 steps to dead....

There is a God after all.....

It's Alcoholics Anonymous Roundup Season! Round up your AA Prospects. Remember always try and bring two members to every 12 Step call for AA Team Roping. Yea Haw....

California AALA Annual Roundup
Held in the Los Angeles area West Hollywood

California Redwood Coast Annual Roundup
Annually held in Fortuna, California. "Come enjoy the beauty and serenity of the Redwood Coast for three fun-filled days of meetings, speakers, food and fellowship." Includes Al-Anon participation Ureka


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