"Like a Braid"


In retrospect, that's how I've come to view it: fact and fiction tightly twisted together. Separating the two- causing fiction to fall away and fact to stand on its own- was something that could only be fully accomplished after gaining enough distance from those who caused that 'braid' to appear.

Alocoholics Anonymous member kills 3 people in Colorado Springs, CO AA Area 10 District 7 Sat. Oct. 31, 2015

In a very sad sequence of events a 33 year old recovering alcoholic identified as Noah Jacob Harpham, who regularly talked to his AA Sponsor in AA Area 10 District 7 (http://coloradospringsaa.org/members/district-7) shot and killed an unknown bicyclist in his neighborhood and then walked to a female sober home and killed two of the residents.

@Mr. Orange.......20 months! We need a new troll..Please :-)

Dear Orange,

I'm appealing to your sense of fair play, your sense of humor and the what I assume to be, the overall purpose of the forum, which is to out all things 12 Step as the faith healing voodoo religion/cult that lacks any efficacy whatsoever to help people overcome their dependency issues and even worse yet, one which actually causes harm, cult dependence and worse.

I get that having the occasional troll around spouting AA platitudes is useful in that it offers us the opportunity debunk their very weak justifications and arguments. I totally get that.

Everything we (think we) know about addiction is wrong

This went up on you tube 4 days ago . it revisits Dr. Bruce Alexander's Experiment called "Rat Park" It has garnered over 2 million views - there has to be a better way than sentencing people to find God -which is against the law in the United States - as a cure for drug and alcohol addictions. Which is exactly what AA/NA conspire.

Faith healing is not a cure for addictions, nor is it a cure for cancer .

"Addiction Is Not A Choice"

The latest research has defined addiction as a "brain disorder":-


"The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) just released this new definition of addiction after a four-year process involving more than 80 experts."

A quote from Dr. Raju Hajela, the former president of the Canadian Society of Addiction Medicine:-

Is Janus 'correct' and everbody else on the OPF wrong?

Yes, Janus knows what she is talking about, like flannigan has said, she just does
0% (0 votes)
No, Janus just regurgitates the same age old stepper cult indoctrination we have all heard so many times before
100% (2 votes)
Total votes: 2

Save the Orange Papers Reminder for future survivors of Alcoholics Anonymous

No special installation is required — just make a new empty subdirectory ("folder" in Windowese) and put all 178 archive files in it, then unpack them, and then start browsing with the "index.html" or "menu1.html" web page.
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Prayers to GOD for the Spiritual non-religious Alcoholics Anonymous Step meetings. Direct from the AA Bible called the Big Book (BB)



God, Creative Intelligence, Universal Mind, Spirit of Nature or Spirit of the Universe my name is ______, And I'm a real alcoholic ... and I need your help today.
(pg.. 10-2, 46, & Chp. 3 BB)

2nd STEP

God, I'm standing at the turning point right now. Give me your protection and care as I abandon myself to you and give up my old ways and my old ideas just for today.
(p. 59 BB)

3rd STEP

Special Purpose Jerk on OPF

From December, 1979.

Primary Purpose and the Special-Purpose Groups in AA from the A.A. Grapevine, Inc., October 1977 (the non-conference approved "literature" of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Many members feel that no AA group is special and, therefore, that no group should be labeled as such or even give the impression that it is "special." However, the fact is that such groups do exist - in the United States and Canada, at least. There are women's groups, stag groups, young people's groups, and groups for priests, doctors, lawyers, and homosexual members. These groups feel that the "labels" serve the purpose of attraction (double identification) and are not intended to imply exclusion of other alcoholics.

AA has another primary purpose

I don't know why Gunthar suddenly flipped out and did a kamikaze posting. He simply used some HTML meta-tags to redirect the page to the A.A. home page. That is deleted. And he is gone. So it goes.

Sir Saint Super Sponsor of World Services

Al-anon and Alateen the gateway cult to Alcoholics Anonymous and why it breaks up families unless you become full fledged AA members....

I'm sure everyone has seen them, the wonderful AA couple that go to meetings together. It usually doesn't start out that way, it just evolves into being that way because of the gateway cults of Al-Anon and Alateen that talk the prospects into being alcoholics through repetitious chanting. When a prospect is identified in 12 Step the coven does everything to "find out all about" them and goes to the spouse and children of their target and tell them it is a family disease and they must go to Al-Anon or Alateen to "help" and understand the made up disease they are peddling.

What is the primary purpose of Alcoholics Anonymous for the court, justice and rehabilitation systems?

The primary purpose of AA is to be an extensive gossip club.
25% (1 vote)
The primary purpose of AA is to transfer wealth from AA prospects to 12-Step rehabs.
0% (0 votes)
The primary purpose of AA is to make people hit bottom as quickly as possible.
25% (1 vote)
The primary purpose of AA is to sell circular literature and make a few people in AAWS wealthy.
0% (0 votes)
The primary purpose of AA is to make people unemployable except as 12 Step counselors.
0% (0 votes)
The primary purpose of AA is to act as punishment for the court and justice systems.
0% (0 votes)
The primary purpose of AA is a combination of all of the above depending upon which coven you go to.
25% (1 vote)
The primary purpose of AA is a treatment for alcoholism.
0% (0 votes)
The primary purpose of AA is (other) - please explain in the comment section.
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Surviving Straight Inc ® - When Alcoholics Anonymous "Principles" are used on Children...

Straight, Inc. (1976-1993) publicly claimed to rehabilitate teenage drug users by using tough love and Alcoholics Anonymous principles. Straight, Inc. provided NO professional counseling: Straight, Inc.'s "treatment model" relied exclusively on "positive peer pressure" from unprofessional staff (program graduates) and from the teenage clients. Straight, Inc. claimed to have an astronomically high success rate and was supported by both the Reagan and Bush administrations. However, Straight, Inc. did not publicly reveal what many survivors will tell you. The REAL Straight, Inc.

Have you ever used your underwear as a Higher Power?

Yes, especially when they have just come out of the washing machine and are pure like some sort of deity
0% (0 votes)
No, I much prefer the traditional stepper cult Higher Power such as a doorknob or a rock etc.
50% (1 vote)
It doesn’t really matter, underwear and doorknobs and things are just not capable of miracling anyone into stopping drinking
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

Step 2 and 3 of AA

Part 1 Sober man, Big Bill Debate Jesus the son of God’ is ‘A power greater than our self’ Is ‘God as we understand Him” ‘Jesus the son of God’ How can ‘Jesus the son of God’ allow evils caused by Alcoholism to continue to exist? Big Bill’s Opening Arguments ________________________________________ Big Bill of AA: Thank you. Step 2: Came to believe that ‘‘God’ who is ‘Jesus the son of God’ could restore us to sanity Step 3: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of ‘‘Jesus the son of God’’ as we understand Him’.

Why support from AA 12 Step Support Groups is Stupid

What would make people think that going to a 12 Step Anonymous meeting is a good idea?
People need to use their brains a little bit before descending the stairs to AA basement hell. Common sense would tell you to be wary of a room full of "anonymous" people/strangers who are for the most part, completely unsupervised. I mean, YOU'RE going there because you have dependency issues along with a few others most likely. You can pretty much guaranty that those other folks sitting in those folding metal chairs have other issues too!

'Pretending' at the stepper cult

Come on readers of the OPF, this is your chance to admit what you 'pretended' to believe in at the stepper cult in the past. Perhaps you too pretended God actually existed? Or perhaps you pretended a TV set actually miracled you into stopping drinking (instead of you actually stopping by yourself?) This is your one and only chance to admit what BS you actually pretended to believe in at the stepper cult. There's the usual prize of two free tickets to the stepper cult meeting of your of your choice for the most bizarre answer. PS.

When confessing sins and asking for forgiveness goes wrong at Word of Life Church in Mohawk Valley, New Hartford, NY - 19 year old dies as a result Sunday Oct 11, 2015

Another "counseling session" in a Church discussing the "Spiritual State" ends in the death of Lucas Leonard and seriously injures his younger brother Christopher. While this does not appear to have any direct ties to Alcoholics Anonymous, it does have to do with Spirituality (core tenet of AA) and is called a "Counseling Session" which is the new codeword lately for AA meetings....

Church "counseling session" ends in beating death, six arrests

Stepper Cult Joke

When is a doorknob not a doorknob? When its a Higher Power

How can you keep on 'working' step two 'came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity’ indefinitely?

You started to believe, then stopped believing when you had completed the program, then started to believe again later
50% (1 vote)
Didn't really believe in the first place, hence didn’t work the infallible 12 step program correctly and achieve sobriety
50% (1 vote)
It doesn’t matter, we all know the 12 steps don’t work anyway
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 2

Trying to Destroy a Person's Faith in their Treatment is Unethical

One of the purposes of the Orange Papers is to try and undermine the faith of alcoholics and addicts in the 12 Step Program. Is this an ethical way to behave? I am posting a link here to an article on the latest findings about the power of the placebo effect:


Sober man, Big Bill Debate

Part 1 Sober man, Big Bill Debate Jesus the son of God’ is ‘A power greater than our self’ Is ‘God as we understand Him” who is ‘Jesus the son of God’ How can ‘Jesus the son of God’ allow evils caused by Alcoholism to continue to exist? Big Bill’s Opening Arguments ________________________________________ Big Bill of AA: Thank you. Step 2: Came to believe that ‘‘God’’, ‘Jesus the son of God’ could restore us to sanity Step 3: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of ‘‘Jesus the son of God’’ as we understand Him’.

Attending AA v Solving a drink problem alone

Coincidentally, just as it happens, I spoke to two people trying to solve a drink problem yesterday. One attends AA meetings and is an avid supporter of the stepper cult, the other is solving the problem alone. Both have been sober about four months. The first thing to notice is how the stepper brags about how long he has been sober, while the one that is going it alone does no such thing and appears to be just glad she has stopped drinking at last.


Last Love Letter to a Stepper


Have you ever fell asleep at a Stepper Cult Meeting/Indoctrination Session?

No, I find constant talk about doorknobs and whatnot miracling you to NOT abuse substances, totally riveting talk
50% (1 vote)
Yes, when I'm asleep I dont hear the constant BS regurgitated. Its the best way for any mandated person to attend the cult
50% (1 vote)
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 2

The most bizzare stepper cult 'higher power.'

Ok readers of the OPF its time to see which of us prayed to the most bat-shit-crazy 'higher power' to miracle us NOT to abuse our 'drug of choice', in those bad 'old days' when we too where also victims of the stepper cult. Perhaps you prayed to a set of 'golf clubs' when you were trying NOT to want to get drunk? Or perhaps you implored a toilet seat to stop you snorting some coke? (especially if you were doing a line in the pub toilets at the time) Maybe some others of you prayed to an arse/ass when you wanted to light up a joint or pop some pills?

What did Laurens AA sponsor say to her on Emmerdale to make her resist a drink?

God is a doorknob?
0% (0 votes)
God is a tree?
0% (0 votes)
God is a rock?
0% (0 votes)
God will miracle away your desire to drink if you attend AA for the rest of your life?
50% (1 vote)
Nothing some much ensures sobriety as recruiting new members for AA?
0% (0 votes)
Its Jails, institutions of death for you if you leave AA?
0% (0 votes)
Nothing....Emmerdale is pure fantasy....same as AA
50% (1 vote)
Total votes: 2

Emmerdale UK Soap, promotes AA yet again

Lauren became stressed out working as a supervisor at Jays factory and went down town. Later she confided to her father that she had wanted a drink and had passed three pubs in town but then met her sponsor (I assume it was an AA sponsor, AA has been mentioned on Emmerdale in connection with Laurens drink problem). Apparently after meeting her sponsor she resisted the temptation to have a drink. If that's not promoting AA on a grand scale.....I'm definitely a tea pot


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