the public vs the private self vs the authemtic self

the public vs the private self


Came here a few times because I thought it would be a good place to "air my grievances". Finding out that people are splitting up over, well I don't know what.

Look, if you don't agree with something, and you wouldn't say what you're thinking about someone, to said someone offline....then take a walk, a break, or even a fucking drink! Anything that will postpone the blitz of crazy that this site has seen!

However, this may be the end result of something that was born out of trying to hurt something instead of healing something....

Back Stabbers

How long did it take to deprogram from your “support group” of choice?

Less than one year
40% (4 votes)
About one year
10% (1 vote)
More than one year but less than two years
0% (0 votes)
Over two years but less than five years
10% (1 vote)
More than five years
0% (0 votes)
I don't know since I am still deprogramming
40% (4 votes)
I don't know, I just woke up one morning and I was fixed
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 10

Who's staying?

A lot of people have left the OPF lately. I believe as Ben does, we continually need newly deprogramed people to contribute old and fresh ideas. But I don't believe other members need to leave just because of some on -line clash with another member of the forum.

Biologists Confirm God Evolved From Chimpanzee Deity

BERKELEY, CA—Challenging long-held views on the origins of divinity, biologists at the University of California, Berkeley, presented findings Thursday that confirm God, the Almighty Creator of the Universe, evolved from an ancient chimpanzee deity.

The recently discovered sacred ancestor, a divine chimp species scientists have named Pan sanctorum, reportedly gave rise over millions of years to the Lord Our God, Maker of Heaven and Earth.

Censorship, yet again

We are frequently told at stepper cult meetings that the program is infallible its the people who work it wrong. God will miracle a person to stop drinking (but NOT control drinking) if they work a strong program, do His will (?), attend stepper meetings regularly and recruit other vulnerable people into this 12 step thing.

"Adolescents can benefit from 12-step involvement"

John F. Kelly, Ph.D. , Mass. General Hospital

Adolescents can benefit from 12-step involvement

Why should I care? Because you should and besides, it’s good for you!

Some might counter and say what’s so important about empathy? I don’t really like people all that much and I prefer my own company anyway. While it’s true that our desire for or need to interact with other people varies a great deal from person to person, we were biologically designed as social creatures. I mean think about it, until the Petri dish arrived, the perpetuation of our species was only made possible by interaction. But I digress, sure there are people who are very happy being on their own, to a point. My dad was one of those kinds of people.

Is Alcoholics Anonymous a good "treatment" or "aftercare" that the US Courts system often coerces through sentencing? A case study of Shropshire, England.

We have all read about these incidents, an AA member leaves a meeting drunk and does something harmful. In the US this is very prevalent and it is often found out that the AA member in question was ordered to go to AA either directly through a "Drug" or "DUI" Court or by proxy through the ordering of a substance abuse evaluation as part of the sentencing in a regular (non-specific) court. In the UK, this is not done to a great extent, but people are trying to change that and people in the UK often try to emulate the AA get out of jail card that has become so prevalent in the US.

The latest blowout on the forum was the fault of-

Persephone in Exile
0% (0 votes)
33% (2 votes)
Ilse and Mark
33% (2 votes)
33% (2 votes)
All of the above
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 6

Maybe it's time for a bit of a change

It's been (another) rather hairy time on here for the last few days. I've tried, for the most part, to stay out of it, much to my own surprise as well as anyone else' There was a time when I would have been in the thick of it swinging with everyone else, but doing the same thing all the time gets a bit, well, boring.


The next comment will be no 100, Not bad in 3 years.

In the deep woods of Poland, Maine, an old warehouse in Bergen County, New Jersey and Santa Monica, California victims were brought into rooms to attend attack therapy to "help them." Now it is being done online where the cries for help can be heard.

I am of course talking about ELAN, Kids of New Jersey and SYNANON where people were brought into a room and the physical and mental attacking of the participants was encouraged by the facilitators of these meetings. In the deep woods of Poland, Maine, an old warehouse in Bergen County, New Jersey and Santa Monica, California victims were taught how to attack each other by action set up by Joe Ricci, Virgil Miller Newton or Charles E. "Chuck" Dederich. I have helped to expose and document these action.

Hit the Escape button Quick.

AA creates..

AA creates so called 'alcoholics' and kills drunks. That is all.

Oh, hello Gunthar.


Page NOT Redirection

Letter from a Buddhist Who Escaped AA

Below is the letter and my response.

I can see that a lot of people think it's a theist/non-theist issue, just as much as churches seem to assume that it's good if it includes 'God'; in fact, it's just an "AA lies" issue.

I spent so much time trying to admit that I was powerless, hopeless, insane, defective, with predictable results (increased bottom-seeking behavior, feelings of going insane, doubt of simple moral beliefs and values, etc). AA nearly killed me, and I feel like a fool for not trusting my conscience. AA helped me become a shameless drunk.

I have no idea what I did to get attacked tonight....

...but just tried to even ask my friends from this site what was going on, and was promptly told some extremely rude things and was told that I started it.

Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement

Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement
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The "Let them worship", Bill in NYC. Mayor tried to prevent the renting of school property to Churches to worship, but because they also rent to faith based AA and the Boy Scouts legally it may be allowed.

In a strange twist of events, the schools in NYC have been denying the renting of unused rooms to Churches because it is against the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution and the division of church and state. Now the argument is that Alcoholics Anonymous and the Boy Scouts are faith based also, so churches shouldn't be excluded. What do you think?


Who really wrote the Bible?

Revealing the hidden contradictions in the Bible?
A Mass of Variant Different Views
Taken from the book "Jesus, Intertupted by Bart D. Ehrman

Mindfulness Part Two

Ok, before it slips my “mind”, back to the mindfulness discussion (heehee I couldn’t resist)
(see 3/28 blog for part 1)

At its core, mindfulness is all about being present, living in the now. It’s origins of course go back to the Buddhist idea of being in the now and allowing it to just be. I take a bit of different stance in that, while I agree with it, I also believe that you need to be present, but with intent. I’ll come back full circle to what I mean by that in the concluding paragraphs.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Have you been 13th Stepped?

Have you been 13th Stepped?
I’m a producer for CBS NEWS. We’re working on a story that focuses on safety issues coming out of contacts made at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. If you feel you’ve been harassed or “13thStepped” by someone you met at an AA meeting, I’d like to talk with you. Also, if you discovered that person was “court-mandated” to attend AA, please contact me.

Please call me at (212) 975-5842, or email

Owner of Nomadian Community Resource Center (12 Step Club) in Seattle caught selling Narcotics likely to receive probation due to failing health.

Caught dealing painkillers at Seattle Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, Vietnam vet looks for mercy

Seriously ill man unlikely to see prison for drug sales to addicts at his Hillman City non-profit
Published 9:41 pm, Thursday, April 3, 2014

Michael Shepard started his adult life in uniform in Vietnam, then spent much it destitute, drug-addicted and mentally ill.

Thanks only to a deal with federal prosecutors, the 65-year-old probably won’t finish it in a prison cell.

Books I am reading with respect to the "BIBLE"

I AM listening to and reading these 4 books written by Dr. Bart D. Ehrman.
1. Jesus Interrupted
2.Peter Paul and Mary Magdalene
3. Misquoting Jesus
4. Did Jesus exist

I have started with Paul. You can purchase these books from audible.
There are some real good debates with Dr. Ehrman on you-tube.

What has any of this stepper cult indoctrination about the 12 steps, etc., actually got to do with substance misuse?

Everything, God just loves everybody to be scared shitless into accepting His 12 step message to mankind
0% (0 votes)
Nothing, its just 1930's lying, scare mongering, coercive predatory cult that preys upon people with a substance misuse problem
75% (3 votes)
Other, please specify in comments
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Too stupid not to respond......

OK, sometimes stupid is just too irresistible not to respond to. Here’s my first exchange on the “Atlantic” this morning;

“Lots of AA and other Anonymous members of other groups are atheists. Their dog is their "Higher Power", or the meeting is their "higher power", whatever. If you think it's a cult, you've never been to a meeting or met someone who was really helped by a 12-step program. You're just ignorant”


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