Are You Worthy?

What does it take for God to keep you sober?
What can make you one of the chosen ones?
According to the teachings of Bill W written in the 12x12 under Step Two, it says that some people believe in God but are not relieved of alcoholism because they do not perform the "right" prayer ritual. In order to pray correctly you must pray for Gods will to be done instaed of telling God how you wish things to be. So remember to pray right.
Also in the same chapter, Bill writes about the bewildered one. He once had faith, but lost it. If this person could once again believe, as he previously had believed, before he stopped believing, then this person too would be saved by God.
In the Big Book we can find in the Chapter Into Action where Bill W writes about the people who do not confesss all their sins. To be worthy of the Grace of God and become one of the Chosen Ones, a person must confess all his sins to properly "humble themselves" to level such as Bill and Dr Bob had done. So always be humble and become a Chosen One!
Another way to remain an unworthy sinner is not take time to 'help' other alcoholics, which of course means to indoctinate others into the 12 step religion. Keep in mind God expects you to convert other sinners or else you will not be worthy of His grace and will remain an unworthy selfish sinner.
So here are a few examples of what God told Bill W through the ghosts of Aristotle, Boniface, Allister Crowley and timothy Leary what He expects of a 12 step disciple.
So now you know...

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Clara's picture

But praying for God's will is not limited to AA. I was taught to pray that way even from when I was a little girl. I have also come to see that if I had gotten some of what I prayed for, I would have been very unhappy. A song by Garth Brooks summed it up pretty well for me, Thank God For Unanswered Prayers because I often prayed for what was never ultimately the right thing for me. When I look back on things, it happened just as it was supposed to and oftentimes much better than I could have planned for or prayed for...

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JR Harris's picture

Alcoholics Anonymous is a Spiritualist, not Religious pagan program influenced by necromancy and the Atropa Belladonna, LSD twisted mind of Bill Wilson. Keep god out of this, he doesn't belong anywhere near your sick cult.

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."

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becket's picture

"Keep god out of this, he doesn't belong anywhere near your sick cult."

Keep God/god out of this. Hm It would be interesting if every post on this forum that has mentioned God/god since the forum's inception were suddenly stripped from the archives. What would be left? "You're an asshole", "You're responsible for the rapes of all children", "I want to buy that antique Ouija board on eBay" and "McDonald's harbors criminals", among other insightful and captivating posts.

JR Harris, are you actually telling God/god where he does and does not belong? Wow. No, no, a response isn't necessary. I certainly don't intend to invite yet another flood of allegations about Walmart or Florida criminals mandated to AA meetings.

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live_free_or_die's picture

I REALLY found it interesting that you, judge becket, consider it ok to be a heretic at times, if the situation warrents it.

I thought you are a catholic old man.

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becket's picture

Born a Roman Catholic (not a "catholic"), I am no longer a practicing Catholic. Nothing I say is heretical toward the dogma of the Catholic Church because I do not practice that religion.

I am a woman, flop. Also, "warrents" is misspelled in your post.

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Pennywise's picture

Lol @ praying.

Thank God For Unanswered Prayers

The main reason prayers go unanswered is because there is no god to thank.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Clara's picture

Some of us believe differently and respect that for you, too.

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YuppieMonkey's picture

"Some of us believe differently and respect that for you, too".

You have absolutely ZERO respect for the fact that this is an Anti-AA site, and you continue to post pro-AA comments in an effort to antagonize the members here.
But you are a stepper, so you will continue to delude yourself into believing how spiritual you are.

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alkieanon's picture

YuppieMonkey claims: "... this is an Anti-AA site ..." Really? Must have missed the warning signs.

It's not. So what are you doing here?

YuppieMonkey's picture

"It's not". - Stepper logic.

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alkieanon's picture

"It is". - Hater logic.

becket's picture

"You have absolutely ZERO respect for the fact that this is an Anti-AA site . . . "

It's like Mystic Knights of the Sea - very exclusive, very chi chi, very tony.

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live_free_or_die's picture

How does that work exactly, Father becket?

Does the catholic religion allow the faithful to "use what you want and leave the rest"? I do not remember that as an option in my VERY early days of indoctrination into the catholic cult.

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becket's picture

"Does the catholic religion allow the faithful to "use what you want and leave the rest"? I do not remember that as an option in my VERY early days of indoctrination into the catholic cult."

Of course you don't remember that. No Catholic child is taught any such thing. Did you reject the teachings of Catholicism? Is what you currently believe vastly different from what you were taught when you were too young to sort out Catholicism's very dense and rigid dogma? Then you may understand why my posts are not heresy.

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Clara's picture

It doesn't matter, YM. Orange says all are welcome. Remember whose site it is...

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Clara's picture

Rather hypocrital when you notice people on RFR wanting to create "mischief" on aa sites or calling into an AA show...

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Clara's picture

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Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

YuppieMonkey's picture

Clara, I do not go to AA sites, I do not go to AA meetings. It is not hypocritical (of me) if (other people) are doing this. Remember: Think Think Think?
Think about it.
But it does seem strange that the people that criticize this site and the members on here the most are spending by far the most time on here. Now THAT seems quite hypocritical. No?

Funny how it apparently bothers people like Becket, Clara, Alkieanon, BillyBudd and that Danny guy if I come here to talk with like-minded people.

BTW, I have checked out what is left of the Stinkin Thinkin site, but never posted or engaged in that conflict either. Some of that dribble seems to have made its way over here.

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becket's picture

"But it does seem strange that the people that criticize this site and the members on here the most are spending by far the most time on here. Now THAT seems quite hypocritical. No?"

Actually, no. There is a disturbing volume of bullshit that flies on this site, all in the name of Hatred of AA, and it takes time to counter it and offer lurking viewers a different view.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

becket's picture

"The main reason prayers go unanswered is because there is no god to thank."

OR that God/god said "no".

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causeandeffect's picture

I suggest she might want to try to tell that to all the people who have loved ones in ICU after the shootings in Colorado. Just sayin...

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becket's picture

If you are a believer in God/god, do you think he does what we ask him to do, what we demand of him? Do you think he is ever-attentive? Do you believe as our creator he has the responsibility to fix our lives so they work smoothly, to arrange every detail so no one gets hurt?

If you are not a believer in God/god, the discussion has no purpose.

What happened in Colorado was an act of free will perpetrated on a roomful of innocent and very unfortunate captives. God/god did not make the shooter kill those people. The shooter chose to do that on his own. God/god did not make the moviegoers attend the film. They chose to do that on their own. Sometimes evil comes calling. Sometimes people die because of it. Why should God/god intervene? Because he owes us?

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Pennywise's picture

Ok, but here is the thing. According to AA theology, if you work the Steps right, God will perform a miracle for you by removing your obsession to drink. God will do for us what we could not do for ourselves. But God is not going to bring back the dead or perform a miracle for all the victims of the Colorado shooting. This is not a question of free will or God owing us something. Rather, this is a question of why God is willing to perform miracles, EVERY TIME, for people who Step the right way, but refuses to answer the prayers of the Colorado shooting victims. Even if God owes us no miracles, and even if you attribute the shooting to free will, it still does not answer the question of why God would refuse to perform a miracle for the shooting victims when he routinely grants miracles for people who practice Bill Wilson's Twelve Steps. Now here is the part where you ask me how I know God did not grant any miracles to the shooting victims. Perhaps He did direct a bullet or two away from some survivors who otherwise would be dead. I doubt it (God does not exist), but that is beside the point. The point is that God quite certainly did not save EVERYBODY, yet he ALWAYS performs miracles for Steppers who pray the right way, even if they are praying to a doorknob. It makes no sense.

Edit: Of course, the Father of Lights who presides over us all won't do shit for you if you were born wrong and thus constitutionally incapable of beseeching Him properly.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

live_free_or_die's picture

You left out the L in ALWAYS, or, in this case, AWAYS.

Just wanted to let you know, since teacher becket is lurking.

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Pennywise's picture

Thanks brother!

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

I don't see God/god as an interventionist. To beg for protection and relief from disease and allayed financial ruin is the same thing as begging for a new Maserati or a pony. We thereby make him in our own image and likeness, complete with compassion and anger and love for humankind, ready to punish or reward as we command - that is egocentric. I don't believe we can characterize God in these limited terms of our own understanding.

If I were a family member of one of the dead or wounded I might be tempted to fall back on "Why, God?" But I truly believe this thing, this universe, this God/god, is so far beyond our understanding that to assign it human characteristics, although understandable, is ridiculous and laughable.

I think what happens in AA when someone surrenders to a higher power is that they simply become willing to live a different way. Whether it's God/god or a lamppost, if they invest in it as a power greater than themselves, they can then enjoy the power of hope. Hope is another larger-than-human-description entity - but when it is in play, things happen. The atheist would say things would have turned out that way regardless. The person believing in a higher power will explain events as the will of God/god. It is all in personal conception of the universe that we find the power/notpower. Does that make sense?

You're asking me to explain in human terms something that is unknowable. I'm doing the best I can, but I'm no philosopher. I believe what I believe, as you do. If you know that there was no God/god in that theater, then you know the shooter acted on his own, of his own free will. If someone else believes God was in that theater, and shit, how come all those people died?, then the answer might be "because God determined that they were done here" - yes, even the six year old. We have billions of ways of explaining things to ourselves so that we can sleep at night. We simply cannot address them all here.

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Conan's picture

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

becket's picture

Conan smirks, "You talkin to me?"

No, Conan/btnben, I'm not talkin to you. Pennywise made some inquiries and my response is addressed to him, not you.

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NoAAUK's picture

"Sometimes evil comes calling."

Yes steppism if full of evil, the lying the scaremongering the predation whether sexual or just control for controls sake, the hopeleness that so so often results in suicide....doesn't take too much working out for sane people........steppism = satans cult

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

NoAAUK's picture

"When I look back on things, it happened just as it was supposed to and oftentimes much better than I could have planned for or prayed for..."

You can't really believe that standard stepper cult crap.....I now suspect you are just another stepper con artist seeking to promote your cult , even on this website (and that you could be a man as others have alleged on this forum). You people really are like dog muck, you turn up everywhere.

However , if you ARE truly as deluded as you make out on this forum, and actually belive the nonsense you spout then as an exercise in reality, just give us some examples of how God specifically arranged things for you, better that you could have planned them yourself. The same God that let 8 million Jews die in the Nazi death camps of WW2, but who now goes out of his way to make things great for Clara, because she attends cult meetings and tries to recruit other troubled souls into her cult with NO regard for their personal well-being whatsoever

You steppers are masters at regurgitating cult speak, that’s ALL you ever actually do, sit around in those ridiculous meetings repeating the same nonsense over and over, year in year out. But when it comes to quoting specific examples of Gods miracles bestowed upon his chosen steppers, you decline to give any. On the other hand when countless ex steppers specifically quote incidents of sexual predation and other predatory abuse and suicides that are abundant in stepper cults, you are quick to deny you have witnessed such things (I don't believe that anyone who has ever spent any significant time in a stepper cult has not seen an abundance of sexual predators, control freaks, total nutjobs and a number of suicides, its what happens in steppism, its the norm in that evil society)

Also if you were taught to "prey for Gods will" since you were a little girl, how come you needed AA? Does praying for Gods will only work if you attend stepper cult meetings? Did God only work miracles for you and change your life ONLY after you joined AA? Did God actually tell you that He would only work miracles for you if you joined AA? And if so, when and where did He tell you this…..in a bar when you were still drinking?, during a vision in the Supermarket? In the bathroom?....... Where? My inner voices tell me that you are a lying self serving stepper cult recruiter.....is that God speaking to me, even though I don't work those worthless steps?

You people are so FALSE it really is a wonder how your cult has grown and cloned the way it has. You go around spouting absolute GARBAGE, year in year out and most people seem afraid to challenge your total nonsense, even so called rivals like SMART and MM...................and to top it all, your program is a total FAILUIRE for anything including being an aid to stopping drinking.

How much longer is this stepper nonsense going to continue, its an insult to the intelligence of mankind. How the hell it ever took of in England is beyond me

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

YuppieMonkey's picture

So in other words, you were taught to pray the right way, except when you didn't pray the right way, but that's ok too because when you didn't pray the right way you were able to look back and see that it wasn't the right way, which in turn makes you glad that now you are praying the right way.
It works if you work it.

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becket's picture

"I See . . .
So in other words, you were taught to pray the right way, except when you didn't pray the right way, but that's ok too because when you didn't pray the right way you were able to look back and see that it wasn't the right way, which in turn makes you glad that now you are praying the right way.
It works if you work it." ~ YM/msafrany

"I was looking back to see
If you were looking back to see
If I was looking back to see
If you were looking back at me.

You were cute as you could be
Standing looking back at me
And it was plain to see
That I'd enjoy your company . . . "

~ Jim Ed Brown, Maxine Brown (partial)

If it bugs you how other people live their lives, why not run for king? Ten votes is better than none.

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alkieanon's picture

Ephesians 2:4-9

Pennywise's picture

http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/1263881

Viewing lyrics for NEVER ENOUGH(THE OLD STRAIGHT JACKET) by Arnold ZeDville.

NEVER ENOUGH(THE OLD STRAIGHT JACKET)
09/12/10
YOU WORDS ARE LIKE AN OLD STRAIGHT JACKET
UGLY, STAINED, AND SMELLY, YET STILL ABLE TO RESTRAIN
REPACKAGE THEM ANY WAY YOU LIKE
THEY STILL FIT ME WAY TO TIGHT
SO SING YOUR WORDS AND MAKE YOUR RACKET
I CAN’T PUT ON YOUR OLD STRAIGHT JACKET
AS I SPIN AROUND THE UNIVERSE I’LL WAVE
WORKING ON COMPASSION FOR THE IGNORANT AND INSANE
CHORUS
LORD HELP YOU IF YOU’RE NOT SAVE
HE’S COMING BACK SO BE READY TO BE A SLAVE
TO HIS DOUBLE-SIDED LOVE
REMEMBER, YOU ARE NEVER ENOUGH
NEVER ENOUGH, NEVER ENOUGH, YOU ARE NEVER ENOUGH
NEVER GOOD ENOUGH
NEVER PURE ENOUGH
NEVER SINLESS ENOUGH
NEVER DEVOTED ENOUGH
YOU ARE NEVER ENOUGH
THE DARKNESS THAT YOU CARRY SPREADS LIKE A DISEASE
YOU POLISH IT SO IT SHINES LIKE LIGHT
BUT EVEN AFTER THESE 200 YEARS
IT’S STILL A REFLECTION OF YOUR FEARS
SO SING YOUR WORDS AND MAKE YOUR RACKET
I CAN’T PUT ON YOUR OLD STRAIGHT JACKET
AS I SPIN AROUND THE UNIVERSE I’LL WAVE
WORKING ON COMPASSION FOR THE IGNORANT AND INSANE
CHORUS
Copyright 2010 Ron DeVillez

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becket's picture

"LORD HELP YOU IF YOU’RE NOT SAVE"

This is interesting, invoking the name of the Lord in a rant like this. Is he a believer?

(I'll let the "save" part go this time.)

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Pennywise's picture

Becket, there are typos in the lyrics on his site. But when he sings the song he says "SAVED."

Anyway, the question is not whether Arnold ZeDville is a believer; the question is whether we are believers in Arnold ZeDville.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

live_free_or_die's picture

Is any one person born a "Roman Catholic"?

How can an individual be born a Roman Catholic?

Father becket says he was born a Roman Catholic. LOL!

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becket's picture

In Roman Catholicism, when one is born a "cradle Catholic", one is, according to Church dogma, a Catholic for life. There is no escape from the dogma, according to doctrine. One can leave the Church, turn his back on the Church, marry outside the Church, divorce, use artificial birth control, support gay marriage, and all this does, according to the Catholic Church, is place one in a position of mortal sin: these acts do not release the Catholic from the bonds and shackles of Catholic dogma. They do not enable him to leave the Church, because there is no leaving the Church. If the sins are not repented and confessed and absolution is not granted by a Catholic priest, this person has a ticket straight to hell, no questions asked, no begging, no foxhole religion, no excuses. Even excommunication does not allow for departure from the Church; the excommunicated person is doomed, but still manacled to the Church. A cradle Catholic, and even a convert, one who is embraced by the Church after long indoctrination and testing, is a Catholic until death. The Church owns you, your soul, your conscience. That is dogma. That is what I was taught.

I left the Catholic Church when I was 17 years old, quit going to mass, got in plenty of trouble with the law and my own code of ethics due in part to drinking and drug abuse. I did not attend my first AA meeting until 1980, so I had almost 15 years of dogmatic baggage as a Church outsider to drag into meetings with me. I had already processed the problems and solutions of leaving a cult by the time I got to AA, so maybe this is why I was not devoured by the solicitation to join yet another cult. I did my thing in AA and I left.

So, to answer your question, any child born to one Catholic parent belongs from birth - and likely from conception, but I'll have to look that up - to the Catholic Church, no matter what the parents prefer, and this is a lifetime assignment for the parent to raise that child as a Roman Catholic, through Catechism of Christian doctrine, First Holy Communion, Confirmation, railroading that child through a Catholic marriage, and ensuring that any grandchildren are raised Catholic. Anything less is tantamount to mutiny and punishable by banishment to hell unless confessed to a priest, repented and granted absolution. And no matter how far I fling myself from the Catholic Church, it's still right there behind me. My own daughter thought it was so goofy she converted to Judaism. How am I going to explain that to St. Peter - assuming I ever encounter him?

You think AA is a cult? Take a look at the underpinnings of Catholicism. That's really scary.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

judge, you say the fertilization of the human egg (conception) of a catholic mother creates a new catholic? From the get go? Just like the "alcoholic" disease that gets passed to the newborn "alcoholic"?

I believe I read a post by you recently that mentioned humans start from birth with a "clean slate" (tabula rosa).

But now you are saying the newborn catholic has already been condemned, at conception?

Will 2,000 hail mary's and 5,000 our fathers help the poor soul?

I eagerly await your research results.

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becket's picture

I don't have to research it, floppy, I've known it since I was a very small child.

What I said before is that I believe every child is born a clean slate. What the Catholic Church teaches is that every child is born with Original Sin, due to the mythological events that took place in the Garden of Eden, when Eve gave the apple from the tree of knowledge to Adam, they both partook of the apple, and in their sudden awareness became ashamed of their nakedness. Of course, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent who charmed her into eating the apple and offering it to Adam.

This is a very different scenario and a very different discussion than the one in which I refer to my belief that all children come into the world a clean slate. I stand by my belief of the child's purity in either case; but what you are doing here is excising my argument from another post and superimposing it over top of another in an attempt to reveal some inconsistency. The context within which I made the remark about the innocence and purity of every child was referring to whether or not children are "born bad". As usual, in your efforts to manipulate the discussions for your own amusement you throw your own "integrity" under the bus just to elicit a laugh.

I did not say a newborn Catholic is "condemned". I said that the Catholic Church teaches that that child is a member of the Church under any and all circumstances - yes, from the git go. So long as that child toes the line and lives his life according to the doctrine that he is shackled with, he is not condemned. But once he deviates from the requirements of his religion (whether chosen or not) the sins pile up and pile up to the point where condemnation to hell is a very real possibility (according to the Catholic Church).

It has nothing to do with alcoholism or whether alcoholism is a disease that is genetically passed from parent to child, or whether alcohol dependence is developed from chronic overuse as a result of repeated bad choices. The alcohol question does not even enter into the discussion.

As far as the Church is concerned,, yes, multiple Our Fathers and Hail Marys could be beneficial for the newborn. As far as I'm concerned, it would be unethical to use commonly-recited prayer, particularly any Catholic prayer, to try to assure that a child would leave the Catholic Church or not be negatively affected by it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

Judge, you did say >."So, to answer your question, any child born to one Catholic parent belongs from birth - and likely from conception, but I'll have to look that up".

So naturally, when someone says they have to look something up, I assume they will do some research.

But, as you have a habit of doing , you are refuting your own statement. Judge, you then said "I don't have to research it"

Why do you think you have a habit of refuting what you yourself have said?

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becket's picture

You're so predictable.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Clara's picture

I stand by what I posted, YM. If you want to go to sites where people must to be of the same mind you can find that. But OPF has never been one of those. I just find it odd that you can go to RFR and read about people such as Ben claiming to come over to OPF to have the kind of "fun" that wouldn't be permitted there. He just posted it to the newcomer, so it cannot be my imagination.

I don't find the time I spend on multiple blogs to be a problem. It's a hobby just as anything else is for me. If I am one of the few keeping the hits coming, it surely doesn't bother me!

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