Boniface: Intercessor of Addictions

As most of us know, according to AA lore, Bill Wilson was aided by a dead monk named Boniface when he wrote the 12&12. However, it is unclear exactly which Boniface Wilson was referring to. My guess is that he was referring to Saint Boniface, who is known as "The Intercessor of Addictions." Could this be the Boniface Wilson claimed help guide his hand as he wrote the literature that is now chanted worldwide in church basements?

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Thou hast shown thyself, O God-inspired Boniface, as a guide to the orthodox faith, a teacher of true worship and purity, O star of the universe and companion of the bishops, O wise one. Through thy light thou hast enlightened all, O harp of the Spirit. Therefore, intercede with Christ to save our souls.

St. Boniface was born in Devonshire, England in 680. His baptismal name was Wilfrid. At age 5, he decided he wanted to be a monk, after meeting some. He was educated at the monastery near Exeter from ages 7 to 15. Then he went to Nursling Abbey at Winchester. He studied under Winbert, becoming a monk and a teacher in the school. He was ordained priest at age 30. In 716, he made his first missionary trip to northern Germany. He met with little success and returned home. The monks tried to persuade him to stay by electing him abbot upon the death of Winbert. Determined to be a missionary, he went to Pope Gregory II, in 718, and received a commission to evangelize Germany, along with a new name, Boniface. He preached in Hesse and assisted Willibrord in Friesland. In 722, he was recalled to Rome to be consecrated as regional Bishop for Germany. When he returned to Hesse, he decided to strike paganism at the root, literally. He announced the time he would cut down the sacred oak of Thor and destroy the pagan idols there. He cut down the oak, demonstrating that the pagan gods were powerless to defend themselves. Many came to the Faith and were baptized. In Thuringia, he found some Celtic and Frankish priests, but they were more hindrance than help to the work of converting the native population. Young monastics from England heard of his success and flocked to join the work. They learned the native dialects and preached in village, countryside and town. A monastery was established at Ohrdruf to serve as a missionary headquarters. In 731, St. Boniface was elevated to Metropolitan of Germany beyond the Rhine and given authority to establish sees throughout the region adn to organize the church. This he did. Upon the death of Charles Martel, he took the opportunity to repair the damage done to the church in France, weeding out unworthy priests and restoring order. In 747, he became Metropolitan of Mainz with authority over all of Germany and Gaul. In 754, (in his 70's) he resigned the see in Mainz to St. Lull, in order to return to Friesland to reconvert the area, which had lapsed into paganism after St. Willibrord's death. It was June of 755. He and Eoban were preparing to baptize and chrismate a group of new converts. He was reading in his tent awaiting the arrival of the converts when a band of pagans began to attack the camp. St. Boniface exhorted his companions not to defend him or themselves, but to welcome the opportunity to die for the Faith. He was the first to fall. His body was taken to Fulda along with the bloodstained book, where it is venerated to this day.

This icon is by the hand of Nicholas Papas. It is part of a mural of special intercessors at St. Michael Antiochian Orthodox Church, Greensburg, PA. St. Boniface intercedes for those dealing with alcohol and other addictions.

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Conan's picture

AKA becket.

The above reply to you is, I'm afraid, typical of the standard Marietta fare. Her posts are often that long, always that boring and invariably not worth bothering with. Many regulars on here have tried to talk to her but she only deals in venom and bile - it just gets too boring.

Marietta also has some unique skills as a judge. Whatever the subject (and she is an expert at everything), she is always right and everyone else is always wrong.

From experience, we have found that the best way to deal with her is to tell her to go fuck herself. Please Rainbow, do feel free to avail yourself of the experience of others, and do the same. She's not worth taking any notice of, but it is sometimes fun to give her a poke and watch her squeal. She's our toy and she seems to like the job. She comes back every day.

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So typical of you, btnben's doppelganger, to try to build a fence so someone else won't have to be responsible for posting bullshit, and then laying my post on someone else, notably Marietta Davis. From what I see, Marietta Davis had her day here. If she wanted to return it evidently wouldn't be difficult, so why hasn't she?

rainbow has made a remark that borders on snide, and because I'm the target of it I have a right to request an explanation. No one asked you to stick yourself in the middle of it. I seriously doubt that rainbow cares who is Catholic/catholic or who disagrees with her. She tossed the gauntlet and I picked it up. If she has any honor at all she will respond, and she'll do so without interference from her intellectually inferior guard dogs.

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Conan's picture

Told you she was fucking boring. Nothing like consistency Marietta.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

becket's picture

No, actually, this is the first I've seen of the "boring" accusation.

What do you have that is worth discussing, "Conan"? Is there a mind behind all the excreta?

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The answer to your question, was Bill w born a complete fuck-up? is yes.

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How is someone BORN a complete fuck-up? Are you capable of giving that question any genuine consideration, lfop? Aren't you rather opposed to labeling and branding?

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Pennywise's picture

Becket asked: "How is someone BORN a complete fuck-up?"

That's a good question. As Bill Wilson said:

"Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way." ~ BB pg. 58

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

They may have seemed that way to Bill Wilson, but in my opinion everyone arrives here a clean slate.

Here, again, is another Bill Wilson loophole. Saying something seems to be one way is indicative of an opinion, not a fact.

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Becket, do you think a person's belief that he or she was "born wrong" could lead to severe depression in some cases?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

That would depend upon who was making such a ridiculous assessment and what kind of relationship that person had with the "born wrong" individual.

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Becket, you misunderstood my question. I did not ask whether a person could be hurt by the assessment of another. Rather, I asked whether a person's own assessment about herself (i.e., that she was "born wrong") could cause severe depression. In other words, in my question, the person has already internalized and accepted the possibility that she may have "been born that way." Sorry about any ambiguity in my original question.

Original question: Becket, do you think a person's belief that he or she was "born wrong" could lead to severe depression in some cases?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

I don't believe I misunderstood you, Pennywise. I do not believe that feeling one was "born wrong" is generated by the self. I believe it always begins with a suggestion from an outside source - a parent, a teacher, a peer, a love interest, etc. Once it takes root we can feed it until we are totally contaminated with it. But I don't think we start the ball rolling.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Pennywise's picture

So if someone believes he was born wrong, could that cause severe depression?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

live_free_or_die's picture

So the bottom line here is that billy w did his research into who he could reference from the catholic church in writing the 12 & 12.

billy w did this research so he could con priests into buying into his new hokey religion. If he did not have "mainstream" religious "decision makers" his new hokey religion would have been branded heresy and he would have been branded a lunatic. And so he broke out the Ouija board.

billy w was crazy mo fo lunatic, but the fuckwad was one hell of a conman. Unfortunately.

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becket's picture

You are unreal.

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Pennywise's picture

Actually, there is a good chance LFOD is spot on. Bill very well have known what he was doing. He might have thrown out the name Boniface, thinking some priest would make the connection.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

"The bottom line" according to who? You? Are you serious?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Still waiting on contact from St. Boniface. Will report back when that takes place.

rainbow's picture

No, wait, that was BoneyAss who came through. I'll try again.
Damn Ouija Board. Serves me right for buying it at a thrift store....

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http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/codep/aa.htm
Christians continue to insist that Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is compatible with Christianity because of its so-called Christian roots. That is because of its early connection with the Oxford Group, which is now called Moral Re-Armament (MRA). The founders of AA were involved in the Oxford Group movement during the early days, but there is no record of either Bill Wilson or Bob Smith (AA's co-founder) professing Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord and/or as the only way to the Father. Neither is there a record of them believing or teaching that the only way of salvation is by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

Frank Buchman, a Lutheran minister, began a movement which he originally called "A First Century Christian Fellowship." In 1928, the name of the movement changed to the "Oxford Group." The other leader of the movement, who was influential in the development of AA, was Samuel Shoemaker, rector of an Episcopal church. The thrust of the movement was experience rather than clear Biblical doctrine.

Buchman explained that "he never touched any doctrine in any of his meetings, as he did not want to upset or offend anyone."1 (Emphasis in original.) By keeping his doctrinal beliefs to himself, Buchman was able to appeal to people of all religious persuasions.

The following is Wilson's description of the Oxford Group:

"The Oxford Group was a nondenominational evangelical movement, streamlined for the modern world and then at the height of its very considerable success. ... They would deal in simple common denominators of all religions which would be potent enough to change the lives of men and women."2 (Emphasis added.)

However, there is some evidence that the founders of AA did have opportunity to hear the Gospel,3 but instead of receiving Christ as Lord and Savior and experiencing freedom in Christ and victory over sin through faith in Christ alone, Wilson and Smith took only what they wanted from the Oxford Group. Here we will examine three aspects of what AA borrowed: guidance, surrender, and moral principles.

Occult Guidance
Members of the Oxford Group practiced what they called guidance by praying and then quieting their minds in order to hear from God. Then they would write down whatever came to them.4 Examples of such "guidance" are in the book God Calling, edited by A. J. Russell of the Oxford Group.5 The book was written anonymously by two women who thought they were hearing from God, but who passively received messages in the same way spiritists obtain guidance from demons.

Members of the Oxford Group primarily found their guidance from within rather than from a creed or the Bible. Buchman, for instance, was known to spend "an hour or more in complete silence of soul and body while he gets guidance for that day."6

J. C. Brown in his book The Oxford Group Movement says of Buchman:

"He teaches his votaries to wait upon God with paper and pencil in hand each morning in this relaxed and inert condition, and to write down whatever guidance they get. This, however, is just the very condition required by Spiritist mediums to enable them to receive impressions from evil spirits ... and it is a path which, by abandoning the Scripture-instructed judgment (which God always demands) for the purely occult and the psychic, has again and again led over the precipice. The soul that reduces itself to an automaton may at any moment be set spinning by a Demon."7 (Emphasis his.)

Dr. Rowland V. Bingham, Editor of The Evangelical Christian says:

"We do not object to their taking a pad and pencil to write down any thoughts of guidance which come to them. But to take the thoughts especially generated in a mental vacuum as Divine guidance would throw open to all the suggestions of another who knows how to come as an angel of light and whose illumination would lead to disaster."8 (Emphasis his.)

In a very real sense, their personal journals became their personal scriptures. Wilson practiced this passive form of guidance, which he originally learned through the Oxford Group. He and Smith were also heavily involved in contacting and conversing with so-called departed spirits from 1935 on. This is necromancy, which the Bible forbids. During the same period of time, Wilson was practicing spiritism in a manner similar to channeling.9 Thus, Wilson combined the Oxford Group practice of guidance with spiritism or channeling, and this appears to be the process he used when writing the Twelve Steps:

"As he started to write, he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out with astonishing speed."10

Wilson was accustomed to asking for guidance and then stilling his mind to be open to the spiritual world, which for him involved various so-called departed spirits. Wilson does not identify any specific entity related to the original writing of the Twelve Steps, but he does give credit to the spirit of a departed bishop when he was writing the manuscript for Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, which constitutes Wilson's commentary on how all of the 12 Steps and 12 Traditions are to be understood, interpreted, and practiced.

When he wrote the essays on each of the twelve steps, he sent some to Ed Dowling, a Roman Catholic priest, to evaluate. In his accompanying letter of July 17, 1952, Wilson says, "But I have good help -- of that I am certain. Both over here and over there."11 Then he explains that one spirit from "over there" that helped him called himself Boniface. Wilson says:

"One turned up the other day calling himself Boniface. Said he was a Benedictine missionary and English. Had been a man of learning, knew missionary work and a lot about structures. I think he said this all the more modestly but that was the gist of it. I'd never heard of this gentleman but he checked out pretty well in the Encyclopedia. If this one is who he says he is -- and of course there is no certain way of knowing -- would this be licit contact in your book?"12

Dowling responds in his letter of July 24, 1952:

"Boniface sounds like the Apostle of Germany. I still feel, like Macbeth, that these folks tell us truth in small matters in order to fool us in larger. I suppose that is my lazy orthodoxy".13

One can see the stretch of years during which Wilson received messages from disembodied spirits. The official biography of Bill Wilson says, "One of Bill's persistent fascinations and involvements was with psychic phenomena." It speaks of his "belief in clairvoyance and other extrasensory manifestations" and in his own psychic ability.14 This was not a mere past-time. It was a passion directly related to AA.15 The manner in which Wilson would receive messages not of his own making was definitely channeling.16 The records of these sessions, referred to as "Spook Files," have been closed to public inspection.17

Satan can appear as an angel of light and give guidance that may sound right because it may be close to the truth or contain elements of truth. A discerning Christian would avoid any guidance that comes through occult methods. Therefore, this aspect of the Oxford Group, further contaminated by spiritism, cannot constitute any "Christian root" condoning Christians using and promoting AA.

Surrender
Step Three of AA is "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him." (Emphasis in original.) While many in the Oxford Group placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, there was much leeway given. Shoemaker, a leader of the Oxford Group, says that "the true meaning of faith is self-surrender to God." He further explains:

"Surrender to whatever you know about Him, or believe must be the truth about Him. Surrender to Him, if necessary, in total ignorance of Him. Far more important that you touch Him than that you understand Him at first. Put yourself in His hands. Whatever He is, as William James said, He is more ideal than we are. Make the leap. Give yourself to Him."18

Aside from capitalizing the "H," which Christians do to refer to the God of the Bible, "Him" could refer to any god of one's own making. The reference to the psychologist William James emphasizes Shoemaker's faith in the power experience over the truth of God.19

Shoemaker believed that people would come to know God by experiencing Him through surrender and through following certain moral principles. He says, "The new life begins by utter self-dedication to the will of God. All of us can do that, and must."20

One can see how surrender to a god of one's own creation found its way into the Twelve Steps of AA. When a person is not clear about the Gospel, who Jesus is and what He did to save sinners, he is not presenting a Christian message. AA picked up the idea of surrender, but without Christ and without the whole counsel of God.

Surrendering to anyone but the God of the Bible constitutes idolatry. AA is another religion with its own forms of piety, including surrender to a nebulous higher power. This pious surrender does not constitute a "Christian root" that can justify Christians using and promoting AA.

Moral Principles and Their Source
In describing itself as an organization, this is what MRA (formerly called the Oxford Group) says about itself:

"MRA is a world wide network of women and men who have started with themselves to bring the changes they want to see around them."21

Here's how they start with themselves:

"To start with yourself, you measure how you are now living by absolute moral standards of honesty, purity, unselfishness and love. (For Christians these are in the Sermon on the Mount; they are also found in other major religions.)"22 (Parenthesis in original.)

People are told to make a list and then "give all you know of yourself to all you understand of God, and ask God's help to put right those things beyond your own power to change." So far, there is no information about which god one is to choose, since one can follow any religion or no religion.

While some in MRA may read the Bible, as they did in its early Oxford Group days, the primary source of knowledge is the "inner voice." Here are the instructions given in the MRA brochure:

"Take time to listen every day to the inner voice, write down your thoughts, and obey those that conform to these standards."23

Even though a follower of MRA attempts to follow moral standards from the Bible or the moral teachings of any other religion, his primary light is that inner voice and his primary goal is self-improvement. No cross is necessary; no shed blood is required. Like AA, MRA is a religion of works. Here is what MRA says about its "religious affiliation":

"It has always been a Christian based, interfaith work. It brings together people of all backgrounds and cultures in a program of effective change using principles that are accepted by every major faith."24

Aside from the words "Christian based," that definition sounds like a description of AA. But how can it be truly "Christian based" when it is without the cross and without the Lord Jesus Christ, who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6)? Rather than faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified, MRA is a religion of self-improvement and subjective mysticism.

One can indeed see the similarity between the Oxford Group (MRA) and Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). Both allow Christians to participate as long as they do not preach Christ and Him crucified or dare to say that He is the only way to the Father. Both appeal to an unidentified god, both rely on mysticism, and both aim for self-improvement. What AA got from the Oxford Group was clearly not Christianity. There are no "Christian roots." Because the central core doctrines of Christianity are absent, AA constitutes a counterfeit religion, not a neutral organization with "Christian roots."

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Endnotes:
1. William C. Irvine. Heresies Exposed. New York: Loizeaux Brothers, Inc., 1921, p. 54.
2. Wilson quoted in Pass It On: The story of Bill Wilson and how the A.A. message reached the world. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., 1984, pp. 127,128.
3. Samuel M. Shoemaker. Courage to Change: The Christian Roots of the 12-Step Movement. Bill Pittman and Dick B., eds. Grand Rapids, MI: Fleming H. Revel/Baker Book House Company, 1994, pp. 11-24.
4. Ibid., p. 198.
5. A. J. Russell, ed. God Calling. New York: Jove Publications, 1978.
6. William C. Irvine. Heresies Exposed. New York: Loizeaux Brothers, Inc., 1921, pp. 58,59.
7. J. C. Brown quoted by Irvine, ibid., p. 49.
8. Rowland V. Bingham quoted by Irvine, ibid., p. 50.
9. Pass It On, op. cit., pp. 275-283.
10. Ibid., p. 198.
11. Robert Fitzgerald, S.J. The Soul of Sponsorship: The Friendship of Fr. Ed Dowling, S.J. and Bill Wilson in Letters. Center City, MN: Hazelden Pittman Archives Press, 1995, p. 59.
12. Ibid., p. 59.
13. Ibid., p. 59.
14. Pass It On, op. cit., p. 275.
15. Ibid., p. 280.
16. Ibid., pp. 278,279.
17. Ernest Kurtz. Not God: A History of Alcoholics Anonymous. Center City, MN: Hazelden Educational Materials, 1979, p. 344.
18. Shoemaker, op. cit, p. 44.
19. See Bobgan & Bobgan. 12 Steps to Destruction: Codependency/Recovery Heresies. Santa Barbara, CA: EastGate Publishers, 1991, pp. 88,89.
20. Ibid., p. 46.
21. "What is MRA?" Moral-Re-Armament, 1885 University Ave. W. #10, St. Paul, MN 55104.
22. Ibid.
23. Ibid.
24.Ibid.
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Don't sacrifice your son or daughter. And don't try to use any kind of magic or witchcraft to tell fortunes or to cast spells or to talk with the spirits of the dead.
The LORD is disgusted with anyone who does these things, and that's why he will help you destroy the nations that are in the land. Never be guilty of doing any of these disgusting things!
Deuteronomy 18:10-13

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:31

I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.
Leviticus 20:6

They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sorcery and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger. So the LORD was very angry with Israel and removed them from His presence ...
2 Kings 17:17,18

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Are you unemployed?

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Conan's picture

Leviticus 20:27.

Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Deleting posts?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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