Orange - Do the FBI have our information?

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Submitted by Conan on Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:07

As per this entry

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/53977#comment-53977

" I got the IP addresses for the regulars on this forum from the bureau when investigating the emails."

Did you realease our info to the FBI? Clara claims you did. It would be nice to know if this is true

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Clara

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:15

Ben is lying. I never even suggested that. What is the matter, Ben

You sure are working overtime. You've spent most of the day jazzing up Vicky over things that were never said about her, either. Regular pattern for you.

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Conan

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:19

" I got the IP addresses for the regulars on this forum from the bureau when investigating the emails."

Have you been caught in a lie Clara? Is your FBI agent an imaginary figure to make you look impressive? Most people gave up that behaviour in 6th Grade...lol.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:28

No, you have been, Ben. You are trying to suggest that Orange was involved. I never said that.

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disclosure

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:03

Why on earth would the fbi care about a dumb ass blog where people talk crap and ignore substance?
Aren't they busy with important shit?

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LisaMarie

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:37

They care when people start posting ip addresses and other personal info. I'll guarantee you that.

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Conan

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:08

She was going on about the FBI giving her the IP addresses of the regulars on this forum. She's talking shit and I'm highlighting it - Just for fun...lol

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Vicky345uk

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:12

The FBI have got very very important jobs to do, seriously why are earn would they care what goes on in here??? It getting bloody ridiculous now. Not worth one more post from

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avogadno

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:29

True that. Not worth it.

"It getting bloody ridiculous now." ~Vicky

It has been for a long time.

I'm here in case a reader of the actual Papers come along, comments sincerely and wants to chat about AA experiences. It rarely happens because I think they are turned off by all the bullshit that occurs daily. In the meantime, it's occasionally difficult for me to not take notice of some of the trash. Perhaps a character defect of mine, lol.

If my opinion matters at all, I think that Orange should either shut it down or moderate it in some way. Freedom of speech is one thing, but most of that is not what occurs. It's a mess of character assaults and such. Only a few members refrain from participating in that at some point. This forum brings out the worst in people. I don't believe for a minute that most of the members here would act out in this way under normal circumstances. Rather, it isn't of their true nature.

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SandyB

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:45

They have a file on me but it has nothing to do with OP

The CIA hasn't responded to my FOI request yet

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 08:41

I would imagine. I got mine once and it included information from when a runaway had been reported as going from NE to KC, so they got the school enrollments and interviewed all the little girls with my name. I've never lived anywhere where there weren't 50 people with my name. When I got the report, most everything had been blacked out! So much for disclosure.

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SandyB

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:47

Okay, they sent me this

Thank you for your email.

For information regarding your request, you can visit the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) section of our website at http://www.foia.cia.gov or you may submit a FOIA request to Information and Privacy Coordinator, Washington, DC 20505 or by fax at 703-613-3007.

Regards,

Molly

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Orange

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:42

Nope, I never released anything to the FBI. In fact, I've never had any communications with them, ever.

I actually wouldn't mind communicating with them some day, to discuss busting treatment centers for fraud.

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SandyB

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:52

The Center for Constitutional Rights is the way to go with that. The FBI is in it up to their necks

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Clara

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:48

Thank you, Orange. I told him that I hadn't involved you but had sent you an email that I had pursued the threatening emails sent to us. That, Disc, is why it matters. It was very upsetting.

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Conan

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 17:14

Then where did the FBI get the IP addresses from if not from Orange? Do you really have them Clara, or was that another lie?...lol. You really are a joke...lol

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 18:12

Ben, I have told you that I am not going to discuss it. I don't know the first thing about how people get their information. I disclosed to Orange why the emails were so upsetting and how agencies got involved. I also touched on it on this board because it is simply wrong. No matter how much a person dislikes another, subjecting them to threats is never right. But I ended up not being too concerned about them because they were not from who I thought they could be, and they ended up being from a poor soul that is thousands of miles and several time zones away from me.

I may be be a joke to you, Ben, but you've certainly had more than your share of concern over this. I would think you of all people would know of many ways how someone could obtain information on another. But it was wrong to suggest that I said Orange had any role other than receiving my update.

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Conan

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:09

You agree you said that you have the IP addresses of all of the regulars on here? You said you got them from the FBI agent looking into your complaint - is that so? I assumed that the FBI would have needed to contact Orange to get this information.

If what you're saying is true, I think someone a bit higher up in the FBI should know that an underling is passing on private information to a member of the public. Don't you?

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 06:42

Conan, you agree that you take liberties with what someone tells you and you "assumed" that Orange would need to cooperate. I never said anything like that, but you dedicated a forum to your own assumption and and willingness to misconstrue, yet you'll call someone a liar in the process.

I am not a "member of the public". I am a person that with a legitimate and very serious complaint.

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Conan

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 06:55

Did an FBI agent give you the IP addresses of the regulars on this site?

Do we have to contact the local FBI and give them this information that you are implying they did?

From what JR has been posting, it seems you have a bit of a history of cyberstalking...lol

Answer or admit you were lying. This one is not going away, because it's provable...lol

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 07:22

JR has but one case of a person that became angry that her behavior toward a person young in sobriety was being manipulated. She was upset that she was called on it by not just me, but many others. You've seen the blog for yourself. It also doesn't make sense to call yourself a victim when you chase someone all over the net. An internet spat doesn't rise to the level of a crime.

You should probably recognize that you don't know how it works in America. Feel free to take whatever efforts you feel you need to but it is rather interesting that you are almost fearful of this, Ben. I personally don't care who has my IP address.

It's interesting that you yet again set a double standard. You admit to assuming things where there were immediate attempts to correct, yet everyone else is a liar and you just want the truth. I told you at the beginning that Orange had nothing to do with it, but that wasn't acceptable to you.

I am not going to disclose the information to you or anyone else, and I won't be addressing your posts onthe subject.

Is there anything else you feel paranoid about?

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Conan

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 07:44

Is it the El Paso FBI we need to call?...lol

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 08:31

Please remember Orange's rule of using our established handles. For some reason, Orange and his teeam haven't seen fit to let me open a different account using a different name. [using
people\'s real names rather than nicknames (breaking anonymity).]

Of course, this is better than using my name to register on AA sites. It scored a hit within ten minutes.

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Conan

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 09:04

When you didn't use my screen name Susan. Could you give me a link to "Orange's Rule"...lol

Did the FBI give you the IP addresses. It will save a call to a solicitor tomorrow....lol,

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 09:09

I quoted him in the post, Ben. You don't mind if your name is used, Ben. You have it as part of your other membership here when you aren't trying to hide. Why did you feel the need to create another account when you tried to act as if RFR was more worthy of your membership? How...Dannyish...

I won't mind, either, which is why I tried to change it. That would make you, C&E, JR and PIE happy, and I sure want that for you in return for all of the help you've been in cleaning up the wreckage of my past. Until then, though, Clara it is.

Thank you.

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Conan

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 09:08

Did the FBI give you our IP addresses - Yes or No?

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 09:11

Not at all, and I don't care who you call tomorrow. What I care about is that my family is safe from a loon.

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Conan

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 09:12

Where is the problem?

Did the FBI give you our IP addresses or not?

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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JR Harris

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:29

I think they have enough information now and you started it almost a year ago. What is the statute of limitations for cyberstalking anyway?

Friend of Bill W posted at 3:35 pm on Sat, Aug 20, 2011.
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Cyber-stalking is a crime and I have every intention of pursuing legal remedies against you.

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Clara

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 06:30

Of course not. Even Annie knows that disagreeing with someone on the net doesn't rise to a federal crime.

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