HARM LESS - an Alanon Alternative

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Submitted by NoAAUK on Tue, 08/07/2012 - 03:59

http://hamsnetwork.org/harm-less/

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:29

"A CBA can be a great tool to help you to decide if it is better to end the relationship or to work at making changes. This involves writing out pros and cons. Get out four sheets of paper. Write down the pros of changing the relationship on the firs sheet and the cons on the second sheet. Then on the third sheet write out the pros of ending the relationship and on the fourth write out the cons. This can be a great tool to help you to decide your choice of a goal. "

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:40

We know alkie position. alkie prefers an antiquated "program" from the 1930's. alkie shuns book learning and science.

May the Force (a dead Bill w.) be With You, alkie.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 06:21

The next new fad?

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JR Harris

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:44

What is very good about Harm Less is that it doesn't require chanting, rituals, ceremonies or religious overtones which Al-Anon is filled with. Harm Less also doesn't lie and say that it is "Spiritual, not Religious" and end with the Lords or Serenity prayer and it doesn't require that the members go out in search of other "prospects" to indoctrinate. Harm Less is much more goal orientated than Al-Anon and does not require that you disassociate from the drinker to force them to "hit bottom" following the Jellinek curve, often sending the family into a downward spiral along with the drinker.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:47

JR Harris whines: "... chanting, rituals, ceremonies or religious overtones ...." LOL!

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:37

GOALS:

1. Take steps to reduce harm and insure safety
2. Use evidence based strategies to try to change the loved one's behavior
3. Learn to better tolerate the loved one's behavior with CBT
4. End the relationship with the loved one

Question:
For goal #1, how many steps are involved? : )

Seems to me that evidence-based anything would be a good thing, No?
And science working for you may not be a bad thing either!

Or, you can go with a program that shuns science and is not evidence-based.

Huh! Decisions, decisions.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:41

Where is the evidence?

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NoAAUK

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 02:19

"Where is the evidence?" LOL

A stepper talking about evidence.....Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Just stick to talking about 'Door Knobs' and 'character defects'.....keep quiet about 'evidence'.....it may blow up in your face

You do make me laugh at times......you people LOL

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:42

Where is the proof?

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NoAAUK

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 02:21

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

2 Millon hits on the Orange Papers for the last 2 months. If this keeps up, one day everybody will see the evidence

Bye Bye Stepper Cult LOL

Hope fully the sexual predators can then be prosecuted and also the Stepper Professional Councellors for Professional Negligence

Soon it could be Jails, Jails and MORE Jails for the stepper truebelevers Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 05:43

1. Take steps to reduce harm and insure safety.

Indeed, how many steps? Twelve?

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NoAAUK

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 02:29

When the Law finally recognises the evidence and they come to arrest you for spreading dangerous, scaremongering, mind screwing, death dealing cult BS...............you'll need far far more that 12 steps to run away Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

disclosure

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 09:28

I left AA after being manipulated by my sponsor, attacked physically by my sponsee, being beaten by an Alanon club leader, and crushed by the suicide deaths of 5 AA friends.
I was cast out with no support because I questioned the AA program. I landed at the Stinkin’ Thinkin’ site where I heard about HAMS and got support. I wanted to drink just to wash the AA off of me but realized I needed to deprogram before I did or I could have a bad result; AA had warped my belief system which would cause me to drink badly.
I have been USING HAMS for about two years (I’m not counting like in AA) to maintain abstinence.
Last October I started using HAMS harm reduction to manage tobacco use after 15 years of abstinence from cigarettes. I did this because it is universally agreed by most addicts that tobacco is the most insidious drug to quit. I have been thoroughly enjoying one cigar a month with 30 abstinence days between each use. I do have cravings early in my ABS days but use cost benefit and other tools such as consequences to get through it.
After 16 years of abstinence in AA I have decided to try sobriety (moderation) instead of abstinence (AA). I am going to drink like a normal person using HAMS harm reduction as I have done with the cigars. I know I can do it because so many others have, I know one couple with over 15 years of moderation after being self diagnosed with the deadly disease alcoholism in AA.
I do not want to be drunk, I want to be sober. I will not allow myself to drink to the point where I could not pass a sobriety checkpoint; I will fail an abstinence checkpoint though. I will start with 30 ABS days between drinks and modify based on cost benefit analysis.
For me AA has a negative cost benefit unless used with severe moderation. Better is better!