Let's Make a Deal, Clara.

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Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Sun, 08/05/2012 - 15:21

I'll stop posting on sites that support 12 step treatment if you'll stop posting here.

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 15:31

I will continue to post anywhere I can.

I will put up with the inconvenience of Clara because I think her posts make our point better than we can.

Whatever we write, it cannot accurately demonstrate Clares level of assclownery and blundering attempts at using deception to defend the AA faith.

As always on cue, one can expect her to show up and make stupid, deceptive, confusing, and drunken replies to any charges we level.

As little bonus, their consistent assclownery is generally followed by JR giving them the b!tchslap they deserve.

I am sorry that she brought your son into the discussion. That is inexcusable, and made her look far worse than you Gunthar.

You are your own man and will make decisions you consider right. I refuse to join you in this, and consider everywhere on the internet to be fair game for dispelling the misinformation promoted by the AA faith.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 15:54

Hardly accurate, DeCon.

I did not bring anyone into the conversation, You can shout that all you want, but it doesn't make it true. I also did not choose to bring posts from another forum here. Gunthar made a mistake and miscalculated my reaction, as did Conan. I suppose ex-wives are open season, eh, DeCon?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

mfc66uk

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 05:04

But Clara, you do bring posts from another forum to here, and that is mine, from which you are barred . It does not have all the arguing that takes place here, because of the fact that trolls are banned.

Anyway was that the ex wife that you claimed was stalked by putting something on her phone or computer when looking for a divorce excuse.

By the way www.recoveringfromrecovery.com is well on the way to 3000000 troll free page views now according to the AW stats which were not even running at the start of the site. On top of that, there have been around 200 thousand comments in chat on a wide range of subjects without the interference of those who would try to harm other's recovery . We even have a couple of charities looking at the way the site runs who are thinking of using the same structure, which is a result of professional people taking time to view what is going on there and whom have found it useful. There is much more to it that one thread about visiting AA sites which you so often like to misquote.

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Clara

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 21:58

I wasn't barred from your site because I never joined, MFC. I also haven't brought posts from there, either, although I certainly shared information that Gunthar denied posting. Of course, he did. He surely has no information to support how someone would find him on a Rhode Island Craigslist site otherwise when he doesn't utilyze the same blog names.

An affair was denied and proof was needed for a divorce. He also considered other grounds, such as mental defect, drug and alcohol addiction. It could have happened very quickly on those grounds. But it was decided during a lucid period that they didn't want more ugliness to enter into it. Unfortunately, there were also times when that decision was regretted... I understand from members here that she's experiencing additional difficulties. I've asked for prayers for her from those that use that energy.

I am glad for your site, MFC. It has interesting reading. I don't think I misquoted anyone. Gunth says the same thing on Craigslist as he says here - lol! And to be fair, MFC, those same members don't choose to stay on your site. They choose to come here - to argue with whom they otherwise refer to as trolls! Since they have this protected Utopia, why are they here when they fled to escape? Too funny. Despite efforts that didn't garner the reaction they wanted, I don't think anyone questions if Conan and Gunthar would have behaved in that fashion at "home." You would not have tolerated it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Vicky345uk

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 06:26

Why go in there then and sneak around???

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Clara

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 07:11

It's an open forum, Vicky. Anyone can see it.

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JR Harris

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 07:19

Hunting for prospects crib bisque? Or just looking to make trouble in other peoples divorces and child custody issues in the name of the AA faith while denying you are doing it? According to the Interchurch directives you shouldn't be taking other peoples inventories, remember?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Vicky345uk

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 07:23

But why go there?

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causeandeffect

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 21:29

clara, it's no secret Gunthar posts on Craig's list--it never has been. danny has been cyberstalking since ST days. He would be able to tell you this. You've proven nothing.

As for any member here saying your husband's ex-wife is having any difficulties, you'd have to link to that post for me to believe it. She looks very fit and is doing things that require a high degree of balance and athleticism. I'm betting she's a hundred times healthier than you, mentally, physically and spiritually. And more sober to boot!

BTW, from the looks of that Craig's List thread, you were even less popular than even Gunthar. Not surprising at all.

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:12

if Clara will take it.
It seems that the orange papers is just too important to her though.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:22

No, Gunthar. I asked that we stop the blog you started when I felt it was getting out of hand. That goodwill gesture went nowhere.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:33

to make this deal, or do you need this website so badly that you might go into withdrawal without it?

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:35

No, Gunthar. You've demonstrated yourself to be someone not to do deals with. You brought something over here that didn't have the desired effect. It shouldn't have happened to begin with, and you wouldn't stay away from AA sites.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:37

You can't stay away from this website... You are addicted. Better call your sponsor.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:57

Nah. He likes my resilience.

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Persephone In Exile

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:39

I think that's actually called "denial" in 12 step circles.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:43

that was a great burn. Clara catches yet another well deserved b!tchslap......

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:51

Pretty lame if that qualifies...

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becket

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 19:44

"I think that's actually called "denial" in 12 step circles."

This is a bitchslap? What a bunch of fuckin amateurs.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Ed

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 23:12

Good description Gunthar, it emobies the concept of deception

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:02

Well it detracts from any attraction not promotion that you may be attempting. Not really sure what you are getting at.

I do not give out personal information, but I am still happily married to my first wife of many, many years.

Feel free to continue your assclownery.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:26

Good for you, DeCon.

I have never attempted to invite anyone to meetings on this forum. Conan's avatar is my husband's ex-wife. I can't imagine seeking out the divorce records that PIE referenced the other day, seek pictures of his ex-wife and then post them. I don't imagine that most of you really think that is appropriate.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:29

because you acted so far out of line.

You deserve everything you get Clara.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:36

I didn't "get" anything, DeCon. It's the ex he exploited. I haven't been out of line. I'd say Gunthar and Conan set the standard for that.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 19:46

What are you referring to here, you goofball? How has Clara been "so far out of line"? And it's not "out of line" for someone to say she's sucking the devil's dick?

God/god/notgod almighty.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:34

What's behind Door #4?

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:39

and turned it into a form a stalking and harassment.

For that she deserves ridicule, contempt, and scorn more so than other trolls who like to play here.

I am all for a full exposure of her identity, criminal record, credit report, home address and telephone number being published here. After all, we are here to help.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:46

I did no such thing, DeCon. You are pathological. The "discussion" had no business being here, but Gunthar made his choice.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:49

Gunthar has earned his place here and has credibility. Clara has not.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:51

No one "earns" a place on OPF, per Orange. It's open to all.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:06

"No one "earns" a place on OPF, per Orange. It's open to all", except for your cheering section of Danny B of Elan fame who has been banned under Trecelin, Calinda, Perplexity, etc.... and of course Marietta Davis who has re-emerged as becket. Have you learned any good stalking techniques from Danny yet? Watch out, he will turn on on you in a minute to get access to the forums he thinks are hidden from view as can be seen from what he told us about you as PKATS!

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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becket

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:35

A swing and a miss, JR Harris. What else ya got?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:00

DeConstructor says: "Gunthar has earned his place here and has credibility. Clara has not." What about craigslist? "Earn this ... earn it."

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:58

but face it, other than your troll filled cheering section, pretty much everyone here simply ignores you.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:03

Really? Let's see... I got posts today from you, PIE, Avo, Conan, Gunthar, LisaMarie, Beckett, Alkienon, Penny, Vicky, FTF, and Steve. That might not be all, but it is most of the regulars.

Yeah, I see your point... I am MAJORLY ignored...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:11

I feel slighted, you and Danny B, the narcissist of Elan School in Poland, Maine have only attacked me once each today for telling the truth! Have you learned any stalking techniques from Danny yet? I hope not, do you really want the reputation he has?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:15

Why should I care, JR?

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alkieanon

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:02

Rah rah rass, Kick 'em in the @ss!

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DeConstructor

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:05

were in support of our friend Gunthar, rather than your narcissistic needs.

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Clara

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:10

No, they weren't. Most of them had nothing to do with him. But by all means, feel free to ignore me.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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LisaMarie

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 09:56

Whatever, DeCon!!

Vicky345uk

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 06:08

Still have not answered my question...... Why you on an anti AA website???? What is your purpose here???

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LisaMarie

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 09:57

To hopefully get you to grow up.
For someone who just got here 5 days ago, you either don't care about the personal boundaries you are crossing with people here or you are still working your way through the drugs still in your system.
You write very vulgar comments and you seem to enjoy beating on people. What gives, Vicky?

This is an example of this trolls mouth:
http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/2115?page=2

Vicky345uk
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 14:54
Clara your so dense, light must bend around you.... Stop sucking on the devils dick and gooooooo.

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alkieanon

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 21:47

Vicky345uk whines: "What is your purpose here???" Primary purpose. LOL!

Or maybe to prove you wrong.

Vicky345uk

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 06:24

Prove me wrong?? Don't make me laugh

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Gunthar2000

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 09:47

and suffering no withdrawals from craigslist recovery forums.
Too bad Clara couldn't keep up her part of the deal.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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avogadno

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 21:58

WTG Gunthar :-)

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Clara

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 22:08

How do you figure, Avo? There was no deal because I knew he wouldn't do it.

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Clara

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 22:06

I didn't enter into any deal with you, Gunthar. Just another attempt to mislead since you didn't get your way or the reaction you sought. That wasn't even the deal you offered... You stay so confused.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Gunthar2000

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:41

The deal was that I'd quit posting on craigslist if you'd quit posting here. I haven't posted over there in something like two days. You cannot stop posting here because you are addicted to this site. You are powerless to control your own behavior.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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