Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes

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Submitted by DeConstructor on Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:58

If an individual like James Holmes shared violent and dangerous intentions at an AA meeting, would he have been reported to law enforcement authorities?

I think not.

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aasux

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 21:01

but if he were working the steps, then he wouldn't have shot anyone. that's not til like step 13 or so...

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JR Harris

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 21:16

James Holmes, the Colorado mass shooter of 2012 would have been "anonymous" in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous if he had opened up to his tendencies in one of the "shares" or even a confession to his AA Sponsor. This is the standard practice in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous as can be shown by the "AA confidentiality" clause used by Floyd Nadeau in Lewiston Maine after he was told by his Sponcee Bob Ryder who killed Danita Brown in 2011 and Nadeau took 2 and a half weeks to go to the police, even after he was shown the body and allegedly told Ryder to buy baking soda with his welfare card to cover up the smell of the rotting flesh.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 21:45

DeConstructor says: "I think ...." James Holmes was attending AA meetings? Must be fantasizing about a parallel universe or other multiverse (coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James). LOL!

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JR Harris

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:02

Alkienaon you just misquoted that statement and the 2 million visitors to this site know it because it is so obvious. Why don't you go and protect another Detox like Florida Detox in Palm Harbor Florida that is teaching the flock of Bill Wilson chanters they are spawning how to talk Christians into chanting the 12 pagan steps of Bill Wilson in the piece entitled, "Christians Should Not Fear the Twelve Steps."

Christians Should Not Fear the Twelve Steps

Lake Worth, FL 8/01/2012 09:00 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

Many Christians wonder if entering a drug treatment center for their addiction problem will interfere with their faith in Christ. After all, don’t most drug treatment centers promote the twelve step approach to recovery, which allows for recovering addicts to "choose their own conception" of God, thus eliminating the need to rely solely on Christ for healing and protection? A lot of Christians fear involvement in twelve step programs because they fear they will be communing intimately with non-believers who may lead them astray from the one true God.

While the concerns some Christians have regarding this issue may be based on legitimate fears, all too often these types of Christians are facing a much deeper problem—denial of their disease. The disease of addiction is a tricky illness. Much like Satan of the Bible, it uses deception to kill the spirit, and very often kill the body as well.

While not all drug treatment centers are Christian in nature, those followers of Christ who do have the disease of addiction have Christian treatment center options that may alleviate their fears about recovery from their illness. While not all Christian treatment centers use the twelve step approach, many Christian treatment centers utilize the twelve steps because of their effectiveness. This Christian twelve step approach recognizes the early Christian roots of the first twelve step movement, Alcoholics Anonymous, and they allow Christians to open up to the fact that they have nothing to fear about the steps or about AA members.

In fact, there is nothing anti-Christian about AA’s steps. They are, essentially, Christian in nature. If one were to break down the twelve steps into their simplest terms, they simply ask each suffering addict to believe in God, surrender to His will for them, and do unto others as they would have done unto them by living a life of correct actions in the company of fellow human beings. If faced with a non-Christian in AA who attempts to deceive a believer, a Christian who is on right footing before God always will be protected from deception, as the Bible states. There is no difference between relying on this power in a twelve step fellowship, or say in the secular workplace where Christians come face to face with non-believers every day.

As Christians work through the twelve steps during Christian drug treatment, they begin to see that the steps, in conjunction with their faith, relieve their compulsion to drink and/or drug. In this respect, it is difficult for a Christian who finds freedom from their disease to believe the twelve steps or drug treatment centers are bad. After all, freedom from addiction is a good thing. And Christians who find this evidence for themselves will remember that nothing good comes from evil. Christ Himself preached "God alone is good." (Mark 10:18).

hope@thechristiantreatmentcenter.com
www.thechristiantreatmentcenter.com/

Source: http://www.transworldnews.com/1120145/c10/christians-should-not-fear-the...

These groups should be de-listed by the Vatican in Rome for such Heresy...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:19

JR Harris whines: "Alkienaon you just misquoted that statement and the 2 million visitors to this site know it because it is so obvious. Why don't you go and protect another Detox like Florida Detox in Palm Harbor Florida that is teaching the flock of Bill Wilson chanters they are spawning how to talk Christians into chanting the 12 pagan steps of Bill Wilson in the piece entitled, "Christians Should Not Fear the Twelve Steps.""

JR Harris, all you do is just misquoted any article or statement and the 2 million visitors to this site know it because it is so obvious. Why don't you go and protect another AA hater blog site that is teaching the flock of Orange Papers babblers they are spawning how to talk anyone into babbling the hate of Orange Papers.

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JR Harris

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:25

Come on Alkieanon, you're running out of AA loopholes and please quit being so childish. What would Bill from Sunrise Detox say about your behavior? Now quit being in denial and get some real treatment other than Bill Wilson 1935 chanting. It is obvious from the anger in your posts that you are a dry drunk and AA is not helping you.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:30

JR Harris whines: "Come on Alkieanon, you're running out of AA loopholes and please quit being so childish. What would Bill from Sunrise Detox say about your behavior? Now quit being in denial and get some real treatment other than Bill Wilson 1935 chanting. It is obvious from the anger in your posts that you are a dry drunk and AA is not helping you."

Come on JR Harris, you're already run out of AA hate ideas and please quit being so childish. What would anyone say about your behaviour? Now quit being delusional qnd get some real treatment other than Orange Papers babbling. It is obvious from your anger in your posts that you are a wet rag and OPF is not helping you.

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JR Harris

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:33

Unbelievable childish answer Alkieanon, I don't even have to comment, the whole world knows.....

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:40

JR Harris whines: "Unbelievable childish answer Alkieanon, I don't even have to comment, the whole world knows....."

Believe it. Then don't comment. But you just can't stop. LOL!

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JR Harris

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:48

Pretending to be a "treatment" for addiction, the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous recruit the childish members from jails and prisons which you have just witnessed. Do you want what they have....???

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:13

Pretending to be a "alternative" for AA, the clan of Orange Papers produce childish members from the disgruntled, very angry, and upset which you have just witnessed. Do you want what they have?

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DeConstructor

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 22:59

An intentional misquote of me by a steptard.

One should compare the thinking and protocol that this psychiatrist dealt with this threat, as compared to aFlorida Marchman Act or California 5150under which a citizen can be involuntarily committed based soley on the testimoney of AA evangelists.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:10

Begging the question.

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:18

Was James Holmes attending AA meetings?

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alkieanon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:19

Second guessing the professionals and the authorities?

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 07:29

DeCon, this is funny. Antis regularly intentional misquote.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:29

In your intentional, awkward, and contrived obsfucation was in my statement.

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alkieanon

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 06:50

Fantasy it is (your statement).

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Pennywise

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 08:28

Here's the thing. Holmes was probably not in AA. But, if a stepper picked The Joker as an HP, and when practicing conscious contact the stepper believed The Joker told him to shoot up a theater, the AA program would suggest that he should do so (willing to go to ANY lengths).

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 10:20

I would hold this to be a gross exaggeration. No one would ever do that, IMO.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 10:25

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Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Pennywise

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 10:53

Then, Clara, surely you point to the part in the BB where it makes an exception for cases when a stepper's HP commands him to kill.

Next you'll be arguing that the phrase "any length" does not include all lengths but only some.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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alkieanon

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:20

DeConstructor says: "I think ...." Pennywise says: "Here's the thing."

"Your best thinking got you here." Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!