The Promises

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Submitted by Pennywise on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 18:33

Some people say that AA does not claim to work for everybody and deals only with alcohol (as opposed to other problems). I hereby present "The Promises":

“If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through.  We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.  We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it.  We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace.  No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others.  That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear.  We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away.  Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change.  Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us.  We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us.  We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.

Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us — sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.”

Page 83-84 Alcoholics Anonymous~

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Clara

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:50

PIE, perhaps you should remember the flack given from the very first about being Marietta and/or Danny. You can't pin the malcontent these posters have on one person. I can go back a long time on this forum and find the same bitterness and hatred predated my arrival.

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causeandeffect

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:57

You are far more likely to be danny than becket.

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Clara

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:03

Fortunately, you know that I am not either. I am also glad that I never disclosed my online business. My foibles I don't care much about. Disclosing them helps others learn. Hurrah for AA.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:48

Clara, I never said that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Actually, I was extremely polite when discussing things with you for quite a long time, and certainly didn't "hate" you (nor do I now). I don't believe I was rude at all until you acted atrociously on that thread Ironic started right before she left for CO. All I ever said about Marietta was that she was a c***, and trust me, I was fairly polite to her too to start with, which only got me crude sniping from her.

This is really some conditioning you trolls can accomplish here, to be honest. We get attacked nonstop and then attacked for reacting. Which is pretty much the definition of trolling, I suppose, so I guess it's not even that interesting. In any case, what you saw when you first got here was a very normal response to someone who had been so toxic in her dealings with just about everyone here that it was hard to expect much else. That may or may not entirely excuse any of it, this is the web, after all. Everyone here stayed above it to a degree until we got trolled.

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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 17:04

I disagree, PIE. When I got here and said I was Clara from EP, it should have been very easy for the computer folks to discover I was being truthful, and that I wasn't Danny or Marietta in Los Angeles. It isn't necessary to beat the crap out of someone simply because they are pro-AA. I've been here long enough to see that even if a person were ambilvalent about it, they would get abused.

I was not mean to Ironic before her trip to CO. I was concerned about her.

As for your word choices, those speak about you. Ben has a fetish for the t word and you calling a woman a c--- doesn't say one thing about her. It speaks for you. Now, why do you have a problem with "slut" but no c---?

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:56

Yes, I could have, had I cared enough at that time to look into your email address. What I do remember is being nice to you and giving you the benefit of the doubt. I realize your problem with the attitude of people here toward you when you arrived isn't necessarily with me, but as you are addressing me, I'll continue to state how I felt then and how I acted as well.

Everyone's word choices speak volumes about them, and that meaning also is interpreted differently by each person viewing or hearing the words. I called Marietta a cunt because I happen to use that word and am not particularly offended by it. That is not the standard response to it, I realize. I happen to be fond of that particular word and its rich history in the annals of not just the Germanic languages but the common roots in many Indo European languages. Unfortunately, I don't think you were asking about my extreme interest in comparative linguistics, nor were you wanting to discuss either sociolinguistics or lexical semantics, so I'll just have to leave my explanation at that.

Did I ever say I had a problem with the word "slut", though? I know that much on this board gets attributed to people even when not entirely accurate, but just to be clear, my only problem with the word "slut" is the implication that women's sexuality is not appropriate when expressed. That idea bothers me (see Rush BigFatIdiot Limbaugh's 3 day tirade on Sandra Fluke and the angry response that drew for an idea of what I mean there), but it doesn't usually inflame me. People who think that way about women's sexuality, well, I usually consider them not to be worth my time. Unless they are ALEC members and elected state officials, in which case I consider them to be worth much more of my time than anyone here, but for entirely different reasons.

That cover everything? Not entirely, you were very condescending towards Ironic, and implied that she wasn't handling her sobriety/recovery well if she was suffering from a completely different response to a bad situation. I found that to be very condescending and myopic as well as insensitive. I called you on that at the time, and I believe you also responded to it. It's a dead issue and I brought it up only to illustrate when my opinion toward you irrevocably turned.

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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 17:20

I guess you'd have to point out where I was atrocious to her. She had five posts on the thread before she left (2 were mine) and she thanked us for the encouraging words. I spoke of my husband's experience with Hep and it certainly wasn't the life sentence she seemed to feel at the time. Then it turned into a crab bisque discussion that people somehow think is so witty.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:53

Wow. I was almost excited at the thought of getting to discuss language a bit, but that's quite all right. Right to it, then. Here's where you went all Mr. Hyde stepper on the thread:
http://forum.orange-papers.org/comment/33317#comment-33317
"Interesting thread about not being able to live life on life's terms without using, so everyone is encouraging use instead of... growing up. (....)"

Which you expounded on here:
http://forum.orange-papers.org/comment/33324#comment-33324
(As an aside, while you might not have realized that many here would react negatively to the phrase, "live life on life's terms", but I think you were quite aware of the sentiments here by then and said that to provoke a response--in order to draw attention back to yourself on a thread in which another poster had expressed something very serious.)

OK, here's me later down the thread stating that I didn't care about the damned crab bisque:
http://forum.orange-papers.org/comment/33427#comment-33427
(Not that I didn't see the point in what Penny, Ben et al were saying, but I don't think you did either....)

And me agreeing to disagree:
http://forum.orange-papers.org/comment/33370#comment-33370

Oh, I see it now. The shit hit the fan on page 4. That was quite a bit after the crab bisque business, which Penny did use to make a valid point, IMHO. Anyways, I don't really feel like going through the whole thread so I hope that will suffice.

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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:59

There it is. Perse gets bested in a cat fight and goes right for the jugular in her next exchange.
Keep fishing Perse. You have no idea who I am or where I live.
Are you getting mad again. :(
Feign ignorance or confusion, shit I was brought up date by some very good teachers by my second day here. In order to survive here, you have to be quick on your feet and ready to go.
Doesn't take much to figure you out Perse or your buddies. Been there, done that. This is all your doing girl, the least you could do is not deny it.
I didn't come here attacking, calling people names, using very disgusting adjectives to describe my character. It is a bit much to swallow, but hey I am learning.
My writing skills are just fine, trust me yours are no better....lol.
As far as working in the same field as your buddy Danny, I don't know. I didn't even say what specific field I was in. Your fishing?
Banning, well that is out of my hands.

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causeandeffect

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:00

Fingerprint, danny.

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:05

NOW EVERYBODY....FINGER PRINT DANNY!!!

YIPPIE!!!!!!....(Jumping up and down)

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:12

This is my index finger, print. So you now have my "finger print".

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causeandeffect

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:14

Don't be stupid, danny. We can tell that's a male fingerprint.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 16:58

First of all Danny, if your writing skills were "just fine", you wouldn't be typing "Your fishing" directly after making that statement. I won't explain why that's incorrect, I prefer to watch you flounder.

Secondly, why assume I've been "bested in a cat fight"? Two women fight, and to you it's a cat fight? All that tells me isn't that I was bested, but that you're probably a sexist pig (and likely not also female). "In order to survive here", what do you think this place is? An abusive treatment center for teenagers? The army? A sci-fi film? It's a web forum! You don't survive or not survive, you simply come back and post or choose not to. "This is all your doing girl"?!? What, that's an example of good writing? That doesn't normally bother me too much, but in your (that's a correct use of "your" there, please make a note of it--and that was also a correct use of "there". Start a whole notebook.) case it merely serves as a calling card. Well, more like a flare being shot into the sky, but there you are. It chaps your hide that we all know who you are and where you live, doesn't it?

OK, I'm off to do something that doesn't involve the web for a while. Hope you "survive" without me.

P.S. I thought you were done with me? I guess you're the one getting angry.

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:15

First of all Danny, if your writing skills were "just fine", you wouldn't be typing "Your fishing" directly after making that statement. I won't explain why that's incorrect, I prefer to watch you flounder.

Awe, am I supposed to say, "you are"? I like your.

Secondly, why assume I've been "bested in a cat fight"? Two women fight, and to you it's a cat fight? All that tells me isn't that I was bested, but that you're probably a sexist pig (and likely not also female).

Perse, you actually have no idea what you are talking about. I understand this reply makes sense to you but it is only you, who understands it. Leave your insecurities at home, OK.
I am a woman and I am saying, "you got bested in a cat fight".

"In order to survive here", what do you think this place is? An abusive treatment center for teenagers? The army? A sci-fi film? It's a web forum! You don't survive or not survive, you simply come back and post or choose not to.

Like I said, "in order to survive here, I had to learn fast." If you don't like what you have turned this site into, Perse. Than change it.

"This is all your doing girl"?!? What, that's an example of good writing? That doesn't normally bother me too much, but in your (that's a correct use of "your" there, please make a note of it--and that was also a correct use of "there". Start a whole notebook.) case it merely serves as a calling card. Well, more like a flare being shot into the sky, but there you are. It chaps your hide that we all know who you are and where you live, doesn't it?

Why yes Perse, it is excellent writing. Guess what, if you can not enjoy my writing than don't read it. I happen to like how I write. To be honest, I find your writing to be forced. I think you are writing at a level that you are not comfortable with yet. Like I said this could be an inaccurate assessment.

OK, I'm off to do something that doesn't involve the web for a while. Hope you "survive" without me.
P.S. I thought you were done with me? I guess you're the one getting angry.

I hope you have some fun Perse, you sound like you need it. "I will survive". Thanks for being concerned...lol.
Oh, I was done with you, last night. I woke up today with a different attitude. I was kinda hoping you had a change in attitude yourself. Maybe when you come back, your spirits will be revitalized. Good spirits that is.

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Gunthar2000

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 18:17

It's like a fingerprint.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:34

Would, you be so, kind, to point, them out, Gunthar?
Thanks, in, advance.
That,s better.

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causeandeffect

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:18

LOL! danny, the harder you try the more your writing is like a fingerprint!

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:00

That's fine Danny, keep liking "your" and refusing to understand the concept of contractions. A-OK with me. Oh, and just because you continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about doesn't exactly make it true. Especially after your statement, "Awe, am I supposed to say, "you are"? I like your."

Oh, that was good for a laugh!! Are you sure you're old enough to be roaming the internet alone without a chaperone?

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:11

Lmao...I have been accused of being immature. I like it.
So what happens now? I know....sleepy time.
Good night, Perse.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:33

Actually, I was questioning whether or not you had completed the 3rd grade due to your understanding of some very basic concepts. Like contractions. But no matter. Night night.

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causeandeffect

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:12

He learned to just accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about from AA alfie. Of course, as ignorant as alfie was about what he claimed to be a professional at, he at least knew when he had humiliated himself and disappeared from the web for about 6 months. danny will never do that.

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patti

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:09

C & E that is exactly how all the females @ aa meetings treated me like competition! I felt like I was back in 7th grade. Yep when you allow yourself to be treated like a child & adhere to childish situations such as a sponsor & following the suggestions & words of an unemployed loser wilson then its likely that regression will & does occur! The steppers were the most childish group of adults I've ever met. And the females were insecure, petty & had regressed to being the "mean girls" in junior high school! No surprise to read Clara behaves this way also. I've caught many of the insecure posts boasting about the Mercedes, vacations, etc., etc. Of course aa creates insecure, childish & petty members its repressive!

patti

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Clara

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 09:59

What was insecure about refuting Ironic's post about blowing for a Mercedes? I simply said that I didn't have to do that to get mine. She didn't even know I had one at that point. Just because the post didn't have its desired effect is no reason to spin it against me. You don't take vacations? Perhaps you should. It's called part of a sober life ... or life at all.

I didn't run into "mean girls" in AA. Why would you be insecure in AA? That is just ridiculous.

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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:15

Good lord. Only someone that shallow would think that MO wasn't already first lady material solely due to her lack of a makeover. Didn't you say the Bush women were all elegant, though? I can see that....Bar Bush Vs. MO. So clear who would take the prize for looks there.....

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Clara

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:29

Oh my! I had reservations about her much earlier than that! And I am surely NOT the only one that thought so or she wouldn't have had to go through such a redo. I am not sure I ever described the Bush women as particularly elegant, but certainly always appropriate, perhaps even to the point of boring.

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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 20:19

Agreed! When I have "reservations" about public figures in political families, I usually also start with their eyebrows. I'll concede the point though; after all, that last bit was probably just your sister.

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Clara

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 10:08

No, I was the one that posted on her eyebrows. The makeover was actually discussed on a few shows from the liberal The View to the more conservative Bill O'Rielly. But there is no reason to be so affronted by it, PIE. Aside from Jackie Kennedy and perhaps Mrs. Reagan, other first ladies needed help. I recently read a bio on Harry Truman, who bristled at the thought that his beloved Bess needed any sprucing up. IHO, Bess looked just like a happily married woman of 25 years should look. I am sure that the Palin Family makeover by the RNC didn't escape your notice.

As for my sister, I cannot see how you can possibly find issue with a woman suggesting that some modesty can be employed. She nursed everywhere she went and used a nursing shawl for discretion. In fact, she made up several for friends as they were so useful. But if you'd like to talk about nursing in public, I'll be pleased to talk about my discomfort of a five year old, chewing on a tit while playing with the other nipple. The mother literally had her shirt completely off. We were at a public park. I found it to be a bit unnecessary.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:38

Ahhh, The View and The O'Reilly Factor. Two such bastions of intellectualism can hardly be found elsewhere on television, I'm sure. Is that some sort of credibility, then? That her eyebrows were also discussed on two extremely shallow TV shows? They're eyebrows, for the love of (doorknob). I agree, though, I think Bess looked just fine. I think all of them do, really. It's not a beauty contest, and MO has enough credentials on her own that her looks shouldn't even be an issue. I don't personally like Palin, but she looks great and see no reason to discuss her beauty regimens or makeovers either.

I don't remember the breastfeeding comments or article too well, but it did seem like the discussion was about someone in the article, not someone you saw at a public park. No wait, here's the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cribbisque/simone-dos-santos_n_1148...

Or, in part: "Yes, I believe there are alternatives to public breastfeeding. I know so because I did it." So, you breastfed personally. Or pretended to have for a thread on HuffPo. Or it was your sister. Or here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cribbisque/simone-dos-santos_n_1148...

"It's absurd that I could have breastfed my children in such a discreet manner that no one ever treated me in the way that this woman was."

Apparently it was so discreet it never even actually happened.

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LisaMarie

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:56

You know what is crazy about this whole she said, No, she said bullshit. You are not a mother and you have never breast fed, Perse. Plus I sincerely would have doubted (until today) that this misunderstanding would have appealed to such a gilded, intellectually sophisticated and emotionally well balanced woman such as yourself. But I digress, you are just as obsessed for trivial matters as the local maniac hairstylist.
You love to gossip, girl. Claws Up!!!!

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Clara

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:13

She is so good. She's right. Three kids and she nevvver offended anyone with her nursing. I never posted on the kid in the kid in the park. It was astonishing, though.

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:54

In your picture, Ironic, you look like a lifeless, fairly flat, kinda rumpled sort of strip of old paper with a message that is too small to read or hear or care about.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 05:45

You could not be more wrong judge fecket, old man. For I have seen.

As long as you are painting judge, your self-portrait is quite ego-driven. I guess the steps didn't knock down your ego, as the 12 steps are supposed to do. But then, you have said the 12 steps are not keeping you sober. Bwahahahahahaha.

First, you are judge becket, spouting your opinions, nothing more.
Second, you are Dr. becket, practicing medicine without a license to practice medicine, killing people?
Third, you are Father becket, pontificating on religion, and how, to you, being a heretic is OK.
And finally, you are the teacher, educating all that will listen to your contradicting drivel.

And judge fecket, what is your message? Believe in the higher power, believe god will keep you sober, believe you are insane, believe that you are full of character defects, believe that you are powerless, believe that you are forever "diseased", believe that you must "keep coming back"?

Judge, your message is one from 1935, a message from a conman, a liar, an adulterer and a fraud, a cheat, a depressed man all his life, a man that could not get his "simple program" to work for him and his narcissistic ways, his adultering ways, his nicotineism.

You yourself are a fraud judge becket. You were banned from this forum for some disgusting behavior and comments as marietta davis. Now you masquerade as judge becket. And in reality you are simply an angry old man trying to defend a cult and its killing ways.

Your picture judge is one of a fraud and a liar, a crazy 12 stepping loon out to save a crazy hokey religious cult also known as Alcoholics Anonymous.

Have a nice day now!

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:19

If suffering is painful on a physical, emotional or mental level, including anxiety and depression, it is a contributor to the development of alcohol dependence and drug addiction. Minds and bodies are connected, not disconnected.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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Free

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 00:30

who are you mocking - believers, atheists, or just the desperate?

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alkieanon

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 04:47

"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 05:01

.

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:20

More second thoughts, lfop? More deletions?

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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Free

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 06:33

is to see it being about the seductive lure of suicide in the face of unrelenting responsibility. So ... is it the desperate that you are mocking?

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alkieanon

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 06:49

"This is all very well, but I must be getting on to Phoenix, Arizona ...."

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NoAAUK

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 03:00

"If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish........etc etc........ Page 83-84 Alcoholics Anonymous~

When I sit back and consider who actually wrote this shit..........lying, thieving, acid popping, chain smoking, sexual predator and con man Bill Wilson, friend of the child battering doctor and one time disciple of "masturbations confession deviant" Frank Buchman.......I start to smile.

You have to admit Bill Wilson was a truly great conman and hypocrite. I wonder did he ever actually believe in God, albeit a distorted belief? Surely if he really believed in the vengeful Christian fundamentalist God, he would not dare to write such blasphemy whist living the way he did?

Even ardent stepper true believers admit Wilson was a 'flawed person'

How can anybody this day and age, take this cult seriously?

Its founders were out and out deviants. Its rife with Control Freaks and Sexual Predators and Paedophiles. It has a terrible suicide rate and a very very dubious success rate, if any. Why has it not been seriously investigated by Western Government bodies and held to account?

Its dying sure, but as Orange has said "not fast enough". How many more messed up lives and suicides must occur before this stepper thing is just consigned to being a small collection of misfits practicing a strange cult religion in a few church basements, or even better it totally ceases to be festering boil on the arse of humanity for all time?

P.S. I also wonder how did Wilson manage to become a successful Sexual Predator (as well as millionaire conman) with a face like that? Were there a lot of blind young women in AA in its formative years? What were his chat up lines......slogans? The mind boggles

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:57

"I wonder did he ever actually believe in God, albeit a distorted belief?"

What, exactly, is a "distorted belief in God"? He is too big? Too small? Too old? Too mean? Too forgiving? I would love to know what you mean by this.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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NoAAUK

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 01:08

A distorted beleif in God is a belief in a God that works miracles on demand for Western Drunks (provided they attend AA meetings and work wilsons 12 steps) whilst letting the 3rd World children die of starvation, letting Children get injured and die in wars like Syria, letting men women and children die miserbly in Genocide like the 2nd World War and Rwanda and........the list of human misery this AA God ignores whilst working miracles for the Stepper Truebelievers (in reality a collection of Control Freaks, Sexual Predators and other social misfits) is limitless.

I consider AA's notion of God as a distorted belief, especialy the 'Door Knob' God

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:48

A distorted belief in God/god is any belief that has its origins in the human mind.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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live_free_or_die

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 04:39

“If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through."

This did not work for bill w (the jesus reincarnate):

bill w. was depressed his entire life
bill w. was shackled to nicotinism (a disease?) for most of his entire earth-bound existence
bill w. was not sober, he was one tripping dude
bill w. was a sexual predator, the original 13th stepper (judge becket is proud of this fact)

Bill w. was a liar, a cheat and a deviant.

Bill w was interested in 3 things, power, money and sex (PMS)

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:58

You need a white robe and very tiny crown, floppy.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 04:43

Again, bill w. was one depressed mofo. So this did not work for bill w.

How many AA'ers are enjoying a "new happiness" and a "new freedom"? The typical AA'er is constrained to AA, the dunkalogues and a lifetime of meetings. New happiness and new freedom? Fuck me!

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Clara

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 08:39

Can people suffering from depression not feel happiness even if it is in episodes? And I did find peace through sobriety.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:59

Alcoholism is not depression. Each is a separate entity, deserving of separate treatments.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 01:25

I believe you are like the earth bound soul in spiritualism. The soul that longs to go into the Light but is afraid to enter it and make the passage to the the next level. They are afraid to enter the light because they may fear Judgement or eternal damnation or other fears.

I suspect you know AA is a lying scaremongering, predatory death cult and long to join the Anti AA movement but are afraid to. It may be you are scared of ridicule or to publically admit you were wrong or that you wasted so much of your life in the cult or other reasons.

Clara is a stepper truebeliever who comes on this forum to promote the stepper cult, possibly in the deluded belief that doing so ensures her sobriety (what ever the cost to those she could entice into the cult).

But you becket you seem troubled to me, in a sort of limbo between steppism and anti steppism, deep inside longing to join the Anti AA crowd, but constantly holding back, afraid to

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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