Some people say that AA does not claim to work for everybody and deals only with alcohol (as opposed to other problems). I hereby present "The Promises":
“If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us. We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.
Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us — sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.”
Page 83-84 Alcoholics Anonymous~
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Clara
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 20:16
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You know, I have never
You know, I have never believed that as I never have spoken with Danny. You'd have to send me some posts. I would be surprised that he would be in a chatroom, anyway. But it also wouldn't matter as he isn't the one that brought any of it here for public disclosure.
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causeandeffect
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 20:23
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Oh clara, danny spilled so
Oh clara, danny spilled so much info on you, what has been alluded to here is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Clara
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 20:47
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Oh, sure. As if there is so
Oh, sure. As if there is so much out there, anyway. And you must have been sucking it up, you disinterested person! The obsession doesn't stop!
But that is the wonderful part of AA and moving on with life. You discover it doesn't matter!
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 09:58
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But, Cause, I don't see you
But, Cause, I don't see you as any different than Danny. For the sake of this post, let's assume that he did in fact expose that I told the truth about numerous DUIs. Danny said those things in a private chat. You are the one that has tried to bring the information to a publc forum and Ben/Wayne tried to suggest that I am still wanted in another state, a libelous remark. HR and Kate reprint posts I've left, and everyone follows me around the net and reads posts that my sister or I wrote. The fact is that anyone that participates in this stuff is no different than he, so I don't know why you think you are somehow above him or different. It was also somewhat inconsistent that PIE would counter your claims against Danny with that all she did was follow my own information. The only thing I ever cared about were the emails sent to me that were not merely unwanted; they were threatening. I could care less about anything on the net.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:55
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First of all, clara,
First of all clara, I don’t give a rat’s ass how you see me. I simply don’t care. I have nothing at all to do with your personal information. Second, look for your part in this. You have begged and screamed for this to happen. There was a whole new website created just to get away from you. I have the feeling most people would chew off their right arm to get away from you. It was one thing when you posted about what was going on in RFR. But you exaggerated and downright lied about so many things. Still, we turned the other cheek. But when you started posting nasty criticism of people’s personal struggles, and hurting people who were already in pain, YOU, clara, asked for it! But we still turned the other cheek. But then you insisted PIE didn’t have any integrity if she didn’t post some personal info about you…and it was on. You see, we’ve quit turning the other cheek because we have no cheeks left to turn. We’ve done nothing to you that you haven’t done to us first.
As far as danny goes, YOU clara, are more like him than anybody else. Neither one of you has any shame. There are many horrible accusations about his crimes all over the web, and I believe them. But HE was the one who posted his own shit from other sites, saying he raped and even sodomized his students, not any of us. There are literally hundreds of pages on him we could simply copy and paste, or even link. But we don’t. He has even gone so far as to post horrible lies about us there, just like you do here and elsewhere. All we want is for him to be gone, but he keeps reinventing himself here after being banned many, many times. All we have done is turn the tables on both of you.
As far as your record goes, I suggest you look for it yourself. It’s right there on the web for literally anyone to see. And it’s free. So you are a liar yet again when you say your record was expunged. And there’s no libel
I find it hilarious that you are claiming that your sister wrote things under your user id. Banny did the exact same thing when he was caught trying to slip back onto ST. You see, he started posting under the username “cuggle,” but the idiot forgot to change his email address in the form. When he got caught, he tried to claim it was his cousin posting, not him, with the exact same grammatical errors he had. Too funny!
You have stooped too damn low here, clara, with all your stalking and lies and exaggerations. And you’ve done it too many times. But when you started denigrating people who are struggling, you deserved none of the leniency you had been given. And yet, still we hold things back. We know things about you that haven’t been posted simply out of concern for your safety, even though we are fully aware that you wouldn’t give us the same consideration. And there are other things that are pointless to post, because just like danny, you are too stupid to have any shame. But anybody else reading it would see your arrogance and narcissism.
As far as any threatening emails to you, knowing what a liar you are, I seriously don't believe it. If you were truly scared of anybody, you wouldn't give out your personal information and you would NOT show your face on this, or any other, website. Even if it was true, it's your fault because you make yourself hated. If it did happen, that’s not anybody’s fault but your own. You have given out enough personal info here that even an idiot like danny could find you. And anybody can PM you at any time through this forum, so nobody needs your email addy in order to threaten you.
Look for your part in it, clara, look for your part.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:57
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Ohhhh, I had a part in some
Ohhhh, I had a part in some person you call a creep that stalks everyone else simply because I had no problem with disclosing my life? That is so rich. You are just rationalizing. PIE could have posted the only email I sent her without the email address, but she agrees she just cut and pasted it without much thought. It was wrong to suggest that I had said anything to her other than what I did say, which was simply to ask her if she was in AA. But that is how you do it. You make it sound as if it is something more than it is, so her integrity WAS up for challenge. I certainly didn't say anything scintillating. Ben/Wayne wanted to post my facebook, so he created a "happening" so he could justify it. You did the same thing. "Are you SURE, Clara? Postively sure?" simply because you wanted to suggest you know something that I didn't. You are like a five year.
I don't stalk anyone, but if people don't want people to go read what they link, then send it to the others via private email. That isn't me going through 1200 of YOUR posts on HuffPo. My sister has posted under my sign in name. Who would care about it but you? I wonder why you are saying the very thing to me about the threatening emails to me that you never said to Avo about the call her child allegedly received. Instead, she came back and baited Trisha repreatedly and then had to delete the blog. So she is right, but I am somehow wrong for not really feeling that a person that is literally time zones away from me is not truly a threat... As for Danny, when I got here, you guys routinely would bring him up to add spice, dedicate forums to the best Danny jokes, or what do you think he is doing, or... You court him, C&E. This entire board does. This must be what Ben means by going to OPF to"'have some fun."
Sorry, YOU are the one that chooses how YOU behave. No one else. I doubt very much that Mike would give 100% of the credit of why he created a site to one woman. But so what if I posted what I read there? Perhaps you should tell me what you think was posted that was so offensive? But, better yet, you can post why it is alright for you to do so, but not others. I personally find it very hypocritical of people that post things over there about wanting to go to meetings so they can eat the wings and "brag" about being sober without AA. My reaction to it would be, "Good for you!" but it wouldn't be taken as a call to others to leave the fellowship. I leave that site and wonder... " Why not just move on?" These sites just keep you in what you claim to hate... It amazed me that I could take positive information about a choice that was discussed on this board to a suffering alcoholic, and then be bashed for playing doctor and pharmacist when anyone reading the posts knows I never suggested that.
As for my record, it has been my understanding that it would be remove upon completion. If it wasn't, that's fine, and THANK YOU for pointing it out in case I want to do something about it. I probably won't since it doesn't affect me in any way, and doesn't appear on the NCIC. I certainly do know that the prosecutor couldn't find anything on me anywhere, which was why she was searching other states I had lived in. If any priors had been there for MD, it wouldn't have been necessary.
Now, since you are so heated up and bloviating all over about a woman you despise,may I suggest that you just don't post to me or read mine? I have extended this invitation to you overandover. You've refused it overandoverandover. So what is your role is your frustration. You have the solution.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:58
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Oh, clara, just consider
Oh, clara, just consider others powerless over the contempt for you that you instill in them.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:36
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Gosh, I didn't have to do
Gosh, I didn't have to do anything. When I got here, people thought I was Marietta, and it is enough to garner contempt from y'll by being an AA.
I was never concerned about putting my photo on this site, Cause. You'll notice Ben and others did the same thing, including Avo's shot of her and her kids. I never posted at any time in my life under my real name. But as Ben said at RFR, stalkers only use what information you give them. Ironic he would say that since I never publicly disclosed any of what y'll are desperate to find a way to disclose and then to rationalize by blaming me. I think you know that much of what you and others try to disclose are part of what he calls "The moving finger writes and having writ moves on."
This is why the steps were so good for me. I feel no shame about my DUIs or past behavior. The key word is PAST.
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btnben
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:59
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Another bare faced lie Clara
You stated several times that I have mentioned going to the OP Forum to "Have some fun". I have never said this. You are lying, as usual. Please show everyone where this was said or apologise for your blatant lying.
In either case, please just fuck off. Nobody likes you.
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:15
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That's okay, Ben. You have
That's okay, Ben. You have said on RFR that you have gone to pro-AA sites to create michief. I am sure you can find this in the thread where you all discussed tactics such as calling in to AA radios shows and how you were banned for life from e-AA.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:17
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Link the thread, clara,
Link the thread, clara, because I've never seen it. So go ahead and link it. Put up or shut up.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:21
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He can find it, C&E.
He can find it, C&E.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:30
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I don't know who "he" is, but
I don't know who "he" is, but he can't find it because it's not there. And what is ironic is that people on other sites have asked you to cease and desist your stalking them, then you come here and stalked antidenial. Then you sneer at people who are struggling in recovery and whine incessantly that people are stalking you, when you gave out all your personal info here. You even said you put your email addy here for all to see. And you are quite proud of your shallow and catty comments around the web, so what's your problem? You certainly revel in the attention.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:39
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So what if you haven't?
So what if you haven't? There are plenty of posts here that I don't see.
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btnben
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:32
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And yet again the liar twists and turns
Look at your post. You said that I mentioned going to the OP Forum for a bit of fun. It is not the first time you've said it. As soon as I pointed it out that you were lying, you changed it to going to pro-AA sites.
It's there for all to see Clara. YOU ARE A LIAR. WTF HAPPENED TO RIGOROUS HONESTY.
You're just too ridiculous. Fuck off to a meeting or something. Ever had a boat called Huckleberry Friend? Ever registered on the RfR forum from El Paso as Huckleberry? Or did you get your husband to register for you so you could lie but still seem like you were telling the truth? What a fucking disgraceful example of a human being.
Addition : FFS cLIARa. You said I posted something that I didn't. You were asked to prove it by giving a link to the post and you replied that I can find it????? IT DOESN'T EXIST YOU FUCKING WHACKJOB. HOW CAN I FIND IT?
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:43
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I have never asked anyone to
I have never asked anyone to register for me anywhere, Ben.
I am not going to go through the posts again. I am sure that you know what you post. just as Gunthar does. I would imagine that you would just change it. It's kind of like being accused by Massive about trolling her leavingAA site on RFR, which I am also not doing, and how she told me off. It was news to me.
How did your meeting go today? It is August 1.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:39
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clara, do your pants
clara, do your pants literally catch on fire? LOL!!!
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:46
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No, yours do. I thought we
No, yours do. I thought we had this conversation! LOL!
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:45
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Also, I find it absolutely
Also, I find it absolutely hilarious that you claim to not have contact with danny, yet you call ben "Wayne." You see, danny/perplexity/tracelin/trisha k/calinda/randle o (am I leaving anybody out?) all call everybody "Wayne." Of course you are not going to go through any posts, because what you are claiming isn't there.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:51
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I only say that because of
I only say that because of the photo Conan recently put up. It looks like Wayne publicity shots. ather a handsome guy.
If it isn't, it is because they are removing them.
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LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:37
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Postby btnben
btnben posted:
btnben posted:
This is in the "Introduction thread". So I guess you walk a very thin line when it comes to your interpretation of the truth, btnben.
I have noticed one very important characteristic about some on the anti AA members here. There ability to rationalize there indiscretions is incredible.
causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:48
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LOL! Your fingerprint, danny,
LOL! Your fingerprint, danny, your fingerprint. LOL!
"This is in the "Introduction thread". So I guess you walk a very thin line when it comes to your interpretation of the truth, btnben.
I have noticed one very important characteristic about some on the anti AA members here. There ability to rationalize there indiscretions is incredible."
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:53
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That's where I thought it was
That's where I thought it was, either to Rainbow (Agent Rainbow) or to the new shrink.
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btnben
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:58
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FFS cLIARa
Just go and read it exactly as Danny copied it. Nowhere does it mention going anywhere to "have some fun". It says to go over and watch when the fun starts. That is completely different to going to a site and starting conflict. What is wrong with you? Seriously? Is it an educational thing or something? You can't write coherently and now it seems you can't read.
You and Danny make a great pair. What a laugh.
God damn it, get me a whiskey
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LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:07
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Watch him try to squirm out
Watch him try to squirm out of this. btnben, you are forgetting that you saluted Avo's post above yours. Do you remember what she said?
btnben, quit while you are ahead, your busted for the fool you are.
You owe Clara an apology but your pride will not permit it.
Persephone In Exile
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:27
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Oh, the idea that anyone here
Oh, the idea that anyone here would owe either you or Clara an apology is simply laughable.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:33
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There is that woman we all
There is that woman we all knew existed inside. True colors are definitely flooding the site of late.
No, Perse I did not think you would.
Remember though, make over or no make over, you and MO are leagues apart in class. You missed that schooling girl.
causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:36
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danny, I think you meant to
danny, I think you meant to post that to clara. After all, she's the one who sneers about MO's appearance, not PIE.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:42
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She was ghastly. That horrid
She was ghastly. That horrid green dress. She had to have been freezing. The inaugural gown looks much, much better than it photographs.
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Persephone In Exile
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:44
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Um, no, Danny, I'm not the
Um, no, Danny, I'm not the one pretending to be someone I'm not. My flag is nailed to the mast, actually.
Oh, and did you just call me "girl"??
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:37
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It does work both ways for me
It does work both ways for me.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:16
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Did I say THAT was the post I
Did I say THAT was the post I found?
But, thank you, Ben. I appreciate you telling Anti if she had something to go to the police about it, but she wasn't going to be able to turn that forum into a spot about me. I guess it made her mad.
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LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:23
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btnben wrote:
No it doesn't. You said this, much different connotation.
LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:39
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Cause, I love it when you
Cause, I love it when you show everyone here your true colors. Just yesterday you told us that you don't follow Clara, now we find out today that you and your cronies have done this and more.
Why should Clara care about being exposed, so many people post their pic and real name on the internet? This is not uncommon. What is uncommon is behavior from people like you. You think because Clara doesn't show enough compassion for someone you want her to, that it makes it OK for you to dig up her personal life and threaten her with exposure. Then on top of that, you want to rationalize this behavior by telling her, it is her fault for not being more stealthy.
You run around this site accusing everybody of being Danny, dragging up innuendo, gossip and just plain garbage allegations and expecting all of us to stop, genuflex to our new god of information (you) and take you for your word. Like what you have to say here holds such value. I stopped over at Fornits, it is disgusting. I had already heard about Wayne Kernochan and his books, yeah he is a real winner...lol. You are mentioning Danny and these phony comments about him from other sites because you think it gives you power. This is the sick part, I find confusing about you. What is this obsession with Danny? This is all you talk about.
C&E, I don't take you for an honest, clear headed and fair person. These incidents and situations you mentioned above, you caused them, not Clara. You can't blame Danny because, in reality, he isn't here. No matter what you say.
Just stop with your attacks and let it rest. Clara, is who she is, if you don't like her, leave her alone. Leave everybody alone you don't like. Like you said, you created a site so you could get away from people like us, well do it. I am not saying don't come here because that would not be fair for me to say. Orange created this site especially for people like yourself. He also said from what I have heard, that it was OK for people with opposite opinions to also share here.
This whole situation has just gotten way out of control and ugly. Maybe everyone needs to take a break. IDK!
Gunthar2000
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:46
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Danny
You're not fooling anyone. We had you pegged within the first few posts. The thing you should ask yourself is why are you wasting your time trolling sites on the web? Can't you find a girl to drag behind a car or something?
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
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LisaMarie
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:03
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"Can't you find a girl to
"Can't you find a girl to drag behind a car or something?"
????
I won't bother.
causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:03
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LOL, danny your writing is
LOL, danny your writing is just like a fingerprint.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:05
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See, Cause? You just cannot
See, Cause? You just cannot resist. Why try to make your inability to let something pass out to be someone else's fault?
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:11
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Well, clara, you can
Well, clara, you can certainly take your own advise and not read my post or comment on them. Or better yet, you could have your husband block them for you. LOL :0
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:19
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Well, I am not the one that
Well, I am not the one that personally cares about it, C&E. I never cared about blocking anyone, either.
I just think it is ironic that you choose not to see your own behavior. It's rather like when Massive comes over here and links us to her site to go let an AA have it or Gunthar posts a craigslist link on RFR and asks everyone to go there to set those guys straight. And you feel perfectly jusified, so don't blame my openness for your behavior. You'd do it, anyway.
You have a fingerprint, too. That should be "advice."
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Gunthar2000
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:22
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Please show me one time...
where I have posted a craigslist link on RFR and asked everyone to go there.
Put up or shut up!
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:17
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I'll let you look for it,
I'll let you look for it, Gunthar.
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Persephone In Exile
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:38
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Gunthar, she can't put up or
Gunthar, she can't put up or shut up. She doesn't know how to do either.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:45
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He knows he said it. Where
He knows he said it. Where on earth did Massive ever get some cockamamie idea that I was some sort of spy for AAGSO or AAGSB? There are no such things. I am glad the paranoia was addressed.
In any case, I guess the idea that it would stay a Clara free zone didn't last.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 18:34
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I think he deleted it shortly
I think he deleted it shortly after reading my post and leaving his challenge. I think this should demonstrate my veracity... He sure spends a lot of time there.
Naltrexone: The Magic Pill for Alcoholism< Gunthar050 >08/01 10:27:32
I'm coming up on six years without a drink thanks to naltrexone and SMART Recovery.
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Gunthar2000
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:15
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I deleted nothing.
I think an apology is in order here... by yourself to me to be precise.
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
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Clara
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:21
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I don't think so, Gunthar,
I don't think so, Gunthar, because without your invite, I never would have known about it. It was to an AA forum and you wanted everyone to go over there and straighten them out, which is no different than Massive's technique. And what is over there but the same posts that you post here but under a variation of the name. Perhaps you didn't delete it personally but it was done on your behalf. But it was there... and I think you know it.
You spend alot of time there. Should I give you the same business you give me about your time online supporting your hobby? No... I think I will be bigger than that.
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causeandeffect
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:26
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cLIARa, he doesn't spend 1
cLIARa, he doesn't spend 1/1000 the time you spend here, and you are clearly lying. Nobody does. Just give it up for gawd's sake.
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Gunthar2000
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:29
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Where is the evidence Clara?
You don't have shit!
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Persephone In Exile
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:42
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Oh, give it a rest, Danny.
Oh, give it a rest, Danny. Cause was right about one thing. Your writing is like a fingerprint. Loud and clear. So, what was it you did with those general contractors again, then? You're a different person who works in the same field in the same city as Danny Bennison, has the same woeful writing skills, and doesn't even bother to feign ignorance or confusion that a truly new member here would've felt? It's certainly not impossible, but unlikely enough as to be laughable.
And in any case, you have a lot of nerve asking anyone here to apologize to Clara. Or Danny. It'll be nice to see Orange ban you--again. Good old Banny Dennison.
edit: Just an addition. You and Clara both have done your best to muck up a perfectly good forum that was formerly pleasant to be a part of. You don't like the flack you catch for that? Then DON'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Certainly don't pretend to be a victim when someone hits you back after you throw the first punch--or 50. It's a free country, and an even freer web. Don't want to be attacked? DON'T KEEP TROLLING A FORUM WHERE YOU ATTACK OTHERS FIRST. Very easy solution to this little problem you're having.
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