Criminal Predators in the AA rooms (and rehabs)

Clara, you are making assumptions and even getting this hypothetical situation wrong. The original question was very, very simple:

“Penny, what would happen if a victim reported being raped but the police didn't have much to go on, and someone confessed to that rape in AA and it leads to an arrest?”

Now you are assuming that:

1. “So you have a guy denying he did it,”

Yes, that’s what usually happens in court. Otherwise we wouldn’t need courts to determine guilt or innocence.

2. “a victim that won't agree that he did it,”

Where did you get that? Nobody said that.

3. “I'm assuming that you don't have a rape kit, either, since the victim didn't report the rape or seek medical care.”

But she did report the rape. And having done so, of course there is a rape kit. Oh wait, you must be assuming that she’s an AA member because they are discouraged from breaking anyone’s anonymity.

4. “I might have to let karma work on that one.”

Oh, good for you. Moron.

Then you come in with:

5. “But he didn't say he raped HER.”

Oh, so if you don’t have the name of the victim of a crime, you can’t report it? Again, you are a moron.

6. So on the mere basis that he confessed to a crime but gave no other details, we don't have much.

Yes you do. You have the name and description of a rapist, and you have where he hangs out. Moron.

7. “Even with the report, all the guy has to do is say that he was gassing up the room and didn't tell the truth.”

Oh, and a court of law is naturally going to believe him over a rape victim and a witness. Moron.
8. “I would have to be really convinced before I would be calling the police.”

I’m so glad you feel you are smarter than the police, judge, jury and lawyers. But you are still a moron. Dangerously so.

9. “I still say that the DA is going to want a compliant victim that is going to be willing to testify.”

She reported it moron, of course she is going to testify. If she ever gets a chance to that is. If you were involved, it would never happen and the rapist is free to rape againandagainandagain. Moron.

10. “How often do you hear of someone that DID report a rape, only to find earlier victims that didn't do it for one reason or another?”

So you would let a rapist go free just because a prior victim didn’t report it? Moron. What is important is that SHE did report it. And because of a tip, the perpetrator was arrested.

11. “In our scenario, all we had was two guys and no named victim.”

There you go, dismissng the victim yet again. But then again, in AA victims are routinely dismissed. Wanna make another ignorant statement to make it an even 12? Again, you’ve made every excuse you could possibly think of to not report a violent crime that you know about. You have exposed your extreme shallowness yet again.

JR Harris whines: "Don't you have a sober home, rehab or some other AA related cult member producer to tend to? Better yet, why don't you go and help Bill from Sunrise Detox, I'm sure he would love to listen to your weak arguments with no substance, innuendo and hearsay."

Don't you have a group home, clinic or some other OPF related clan member hater to tend to? Better yet, why don't you go get a quarter and go call someone who give a sh!t about your whining, I'm sure they would love to listen to your weak arguments with no substance, innuendo and hearsay.

"moot |moōt|
adjective
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision : whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point.
• having no practical significance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision : it is moot whether this phrase should be treated as metaphor or not."

Uncertainty does not mean bullshit or crap or hearsay. It means what he's saying is arguable; hence, there's a loophole where alkieanon could actually have a legitimate point.

If you want to choose a word other than "moot", he will understand.

Deprogramming must be near completion. Yes, I have changed and I'm rather enjoying the real world again. 4 yrs and 9 months in Al-Anon.

Why in the world do you keep insisting that Charlie should have come back, especially after the way you attacked her? That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but you keep stating it as if it means anything, and it doesn't. I certainly hope you didn't talk someone out of going to the police and reporting a horrific crime, because if you did, it's YOUR fault if the rapes of children continue. It's all on your head clara, and I hope you have a hard time living with that. And it was YOU clara, who said she couldn't report these rapes to the police because she had no name or address of the perpetrator. That's absolutely ridiculous because if people had to know the names and addresses of those they witness committing crimes in order to report crimes to the police, ALMOST NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME. Honestly I don't know how you live with yourself on that one.

On the one side: brie. On the other side: roquefort. You weight it out!! Justice is blind; just try to keep the rat bastards from eating the evidence.

alkie
what training or qualifications do you have to do anything besides be a stepper & parrot wilson?

Obviously the cases here will have a link to AA because of the type of blog it is, Avo. I am sorry, but I think the guy was a molestor and he would have molested children in his care despite where he met their mother. AA didn't tell them to date and move in together.

If I won the lottery because my sponsor told me to go buy a ticket on the way to the meeting, do I have to split it with him?

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No becket, as I've said before, you simply lack the morals to understand why people speak out in order to help others. Selfish and self-centered is the root of your problem. And as many times as all this has explained to you, you will never get it. Ever.

You're only here to defend AA because if hurts your selfish pride to have been a member of a superstitious faith healing cult that has no effectiveness as a quit drinking program and no. other. reason.