Being Stalked By Troll Clara On Orange Papers

Clara, whoever you really are. I am telling you and this forum that you are stalking me. I will be contacting the authorities, and AA World Services. Your behavior as an AA member is not accepted by AA traditions or the law. I have already spoken to AA members that are appalled at what you have written and your planned interference to stir up more controversy about Sunrise Park in Holly Hill Fl. I woud like to warn anybody on this forum about Clara. Do not reveal your personal information and do not answer her private messages. She might just start stalking and harassing you, and come to where you live and worse.

Clara has contacted multiple people in my hometown trying to dig up personal information about me. She now has stated that she bought airline tickets yesterday, and will be coming to Sunrise Park Holly Hill Fl in my hometown in 2 weeks. I consider her a dangerous Texas Alcoholics Anonymous Member and Dangerous Myrtle Beach South Carolina Alcoholics Anonymous Member. That is if anything Clara has said about herself is true. She is psycho.

I am warning you Clara to stay the hell away from me. If I find out who you are I will get a restraining order against you and file charges. Your sick agenda to enable rapists and other felons to come to our playgrounds is disgusting and evil. A court mandated ex-felon Daytona Beach Alcoholics Anonymous Member is sitting in jail on capital crimes involving raping a 9 year old little girl in a park.

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avogadno's picture

For your safety, any information about this should be saved. Pm's she sent you. Posts made reffering to this. Keep good records on people Clar contacted about you, etc.

I haven't followed all other discussions closely so I have nothing saved. I saw similar posts over and again with the same arguments and started skipping them. Not against you Anti, just couldn't see that discussion going further then typical trolling maneuvers. I know you were sticking to your guns and understand why. Best to stay away from communicating with her anymore.

Keep notes on her tactics on making you try and feel guilty. Posting blame on you. If nothing else, it shows how she's actually in support of pushing criminal activity under the rug.

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Clara's picture

Yes, Avo. They should also contact me. I'd be interested in know who they are as I have made only two calls to Florida with reference to any of this and that is a matter of record, both here and on the phone bill. It is also a matter of record that I have never been supportive of criminal activity and have always said that people should call the police, AA or no. That to is on record. Any claims to the contrary are deliberately misleading. She can't provide an PM because I never Pmed her. What is also on record are plans to visit Daytona that were made long before I ever knew about OP and the blogs.

It is a shame that someone's fear of that group being given some support would result in outright lies and maligning, but that is what fearful people do. She just wants this meeting to go away and here is this person that wanted to right some of the wrongs she felt the group was committing.

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Never respond to PM messages from trolls or people you are not familiar with on the forum. Dont worry too much about Marietta she aint got no resourses. The extent of her harm is what she can diggle up on the computer. She was talking all big about her trip to Ruiodoso when the whole weekend she was trolling on the forum.

Clara's picture

You must have limited means of media if you can't go away and still make internet contact with the world.

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You must have one heck of an emotionally detached relationship with your husband if you go on a trip to New Mexico and post over 300 times that weekend on the Orange Forum instead of actually doing something (anything) (ANYTHING AT ALL!!!) with your family on vacation.
Remember Marietta, people that have as much going on in life as you claim do not spend this amount of time on an internet blog. Not even close.

Clara's picture

We had a great time on that trip. It's 2 hours away. We rode around, tried to ride up the mountain but I get motion sickness and we came back down, went to a meeting, had a couple of meals and went home the next day, another 2 hours and stopped in White Sands Memorial Park. At 3 seconds a post, just how much time did I spend, doll?

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becket's picture

msafrany, you're obviously a little confused on the identities of the people you're criticizing, but it's so funny to read that I'm gonna do the right thing and let you be wrong.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

So sad non of those wonderful things were able to keep your mind or heart off the orange forum for any longer than a few moments at a time. You might want to check upstairs and be sure hubby is still breathing. He may have died of neglect the last couple weeks.

Clara's picture

Don't think so. We "neglect" each other a few times a week. ~

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JR Harris's picture

When do you get time to talk to your Sponsor or go to meetings? You're not being a very good Alcoholics Anonymous member. How will the species be able to survive if you don't chip in?

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Clara's picture

I do well enough, JR. I don't go to many meetings here because I don't like them much. Monday nights only, I guess. I talk to my sponsor. He's been a good friend. I loved meetings in Myrte Beach, and I did alot of service work.

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JR Harris's picture

They are poor and you have used their facilities. You owe them more than a group in Holly Hill Florida you have never been too. Will you be coming with $100 bills? Who are you going to give this money too?

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Clara's picture

JR, it occurs to me a bit belatedly that I am giving you information that Anti would be asking. I am sure the details can come out later instead of me posting strategy on a board.

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JR Harris's picture

And you have to travel there to do it? You could probably just send them a check. How is the Intergroup giving you the money to give away know you aren't scamming them? Which Intergroup is giving money away that should be used in their own autonomous area?

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Clara's picture

I never said that Intergroup was giving me the money. You like to conjecture alot. Even if every group in MB wante to donate 10.00, you'd have no record of it.

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JR Harris's picture

Wow, that is generous.... You should be giving it to your own group, don't you think? How much do groups usually let you donate anyway? How about Intergroups?

Don't tell me your getting it from the District level? That would be a first also, the money is for the District and it would sure get people upset. Oh..... and also if $1,300 comes out of any Intergroup or District level, it will have to be reported on the Tax Form 990. It may not be itemized, but the groups feeding money to these levels will want to know where it went. So you say your getting it from somewhere in North Carolina district 80, 81and 82 and they will never know?

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Clara's picture

I'm not telling you anything, JR.

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Clara's picture

Why not? We will be on vacation, something we planned months ago. Just where is Daytona on the tourist list for Florida?

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JR Harris's picture

I'm calling BS............ you don't even know the tourist list for Daytona and you are planning on coming down in 2 weeks and giving $1,300 to a group of freeloaders you never met? I don't think so......

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Clara's picture

Who cares about a tourist list, JR? It has nothing to do with anything. Yes, I would give find 1300. for a meeting if it would show that it can be done with traditions compliance AND working with the community. We had meetings like this in Myrtle Beach, and they worked well. But you are right. I don't know any of these people. That would sure make it hard to be calling around Daytona, looking for scoop on some nameless faceless person in Daytona. Talk about self-centeredness.

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alkieanon's picture

For all your gaslighting needs: Strickland Propane. "Taste the meat, not the heat."
http://stricklandpropane.net

causeandeffect's picture

Oh, so you have a strategy? To do what?

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avogadno's picture

lololol

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JR Harris's picture

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

The term "gaslighting" comes from the play Gas Light and its film adaptations. In those works a character uses a variety of tricks to convince his spouse that she is crazy, so that she won't be believed when she reports strange things that are genuinely occuring, including the dimming of the gas lamps in the house (which happens when her husband turns on the normally unused gas lamps in the attic to conduct clandestine activities there). Since then, it has become a colloquial expression that is now also used in clinical and research literature.[1][2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Besides, she has very limited knowledge of how AA actually works anyway.

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Trisha K.'s picture

This is your speciality, JR!! This is all you do here.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

Clara's picture

Well, in all fairness, just how much knowledge do you need to have to sponsor a group? Just how to do it and the willingness to follow through.

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JR Harris's picture

In fact anyone recruited from jails and prisons can start one and find out all about peoples private lives. So are you going to go down and talk to the "Corrections" committee for Volusia County or not? It's hosted by District 19.

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Clara's picture

I think they have people that do that, according to Anti.

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becket's picture

Looks like JR Harris is unravelling. Clara can do any damn thing she wants with her money. She does not need to answer to anyone on this forum.

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Clara's picture

Anti, I have don't any such things to you. I DID disclose on the board that I was coming to Daytona. We've planned this trip for quite some time. It coincides with a spring ride we take. So what if I ALSO disclosed that I would be coming to the park meeting to simply decide for myself if it is true or just the view of a very predjudiced person against AA. We go to meetings even when we travel. I couldn't have been more upfront with my efforts to legitimatize this meeting so that it could perhaps serve as better example to to the others by observing the traditions and perhaps changing their protocols. I don't even know who you are, other than you've revealed yourself to be a very nutty person. I think this is just the desperation of a woman that believes my post that if I could get in front of the right person, I could sell them on my idea for change.

If this weren't such a tragic display of hysteria, it would almost be funny. The same people you claim are of no help to you in breaking down this meeting are the very people you are calling to complain about Big Bad Clara. I have called people to try to dig up dirt on YOU? I have called people (Central Office) to try to find out who the GSR is for that group. I have called the City to determine the protocol for renting a pavilion! I have called no one with regard to a faceless, nameless blogger on a board. I have never PMed you or asked a personal question. It would seem that I am the one asked questions that I also never minded answering.

I should be praying for you and viewing you as a sick friend, but right now I am still in shock at these accusations.

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JR Harris's picture

They are disturbing the neighbors also, they would love it if you brought some money for them to help them get the barriers taken down:

Mysterious barriers block club’s parking lot

"Hardison said that a few days before the last municipal election, a police SWAT team escorted a large construction crane back through the quiet Shorecrest neighborhood then gave anyone parked in any of the club’s 32 parking spots five minutes to leave. Then the earth shook as three 12-foot barriers, weighing about 6,000 pounds each and similar to the ones used to protect federal courthouses, were plopped in front of the main entrance gate."

read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/13/2588530/mysterious-barriers-block-...

Ooops..... it looks like AA in Florida has problems with the neighbors all over the place, why don't you come on down and fix all this stuff for them, they are constitutionally incapable.....

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Clara's picture

Too far south, JR. Our plans didn't include going that far. This is just a horrid overreaction to believing that her hated meeting might be secured. We learn alot about living with fear in AA, and one thing is that you don't have to be an AA to have it. I owe you an apology, JR. I thought you were nutty. Not anymore.

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JR Harris's picture

Here is the newsletter covering that group and where all of the money comes from in the way of donations. The Sunrise group pays zip, zilch to the Intergroup. If you are still having trouble getting in touch with the GSR, just let me know.

http://www.aadaytona.org/newsletters/HDmarch2012.pdf

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Clara's picture

They certainly weren't the ony group that didn't pay that quarter. Intergroup is pretty poorly supported. I had a group in MB that paid yearly. I like the workshop topic AA's Traditions in a relationship. Good for them for incorporating those in lives as well as the steps.

I just called this intergroup office and the GSR for the group had resigned three months ago. The gentleman is going to email me back with more current information. If you have it, why don't you share?

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JR Harris's picture

They don't even report their Birthdays. If you go on Sunday March 25, 2012 there may be very few members that show up since they are planning a major shindig at Reed Canal park that day. They may show up at Sunrise and head to Reed Canal, but it will most likely be a "light" AA ritual day in Sunrise Park. I'd focus on Reed Canal Park so you can get a "feel" for the entire coven.

I wonder if any of them went to SoberStock in Odessa Florida last weekend?

So what parks do you think the chanters of the pagan 12 Steps should take over in Volusia County Florida? While you are at it you might as well stop by this place where many of the AA members live (it's right next door):

http://www.histopolis.com/Place/US/FL/Volusia_County/Reed_Canal_Trailer_...

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Clara's picture

A right to assemble is a right to assemble. I think they should do things differently than they are. My groups didn't report birthdays.

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JR Harris's picture

The Sunrise Group has never paid anything to the Intergroup Clara. Are you still planning on giving them $1,300 to rent the pavilion for a year?

http://aadaytona.org/newsletters/HDDEC2011.pdf

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Clara's picture

I admit that I don't like that, but we have groups that pay in a yearly basis. I would tend to think that this one doesn't do that... but I also notice that out of all those groups only 1390. has been collected at all. Our groups privately celebrated birthdays and I don't recall them ever being part of intergroup reports.

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JR Harris's picture

Many Intergroups publish these birthdays, but I guess you can use the my cult doesn't do that excuse.

What do you think about the Little River Club in Miami? The building is controlled by the AA groups which account for 1/3 of the total attendance. Your probably right, its the other cults that are causing the problems at the club. Do you think they should be kicked out?

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JR Harris's picture

GRAND STRAND INTERGROUP

District 80, District 81 & District 82

Dillon, Florence, Georgetown, Horry, Marion & N. Williamsburg Counties, Conway, Dillon, Florence, Georgetown, Johnsonville, Marion, Myrtle Beach, North Myrtle Beach, Murrell's Inlet, Surfside Beach and Williamsburg

939 Broadway Street
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577

MAIL TO: PO BOX 2553
MYRTLE BEACH SC 29578

Are you sure they don't publish Birthdays Clara?

http://area62.org/intergroup/grandstrand.htm

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Clara's picture

Can you point me to where it says that? I've looked around but can't find it despite what I click on. In EP, they have a monthly dinner an celebration. We just gave out chips at meetings.

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JR Harris's picture

Then once at the District level, you need to find the Intergroups associated with them and find out what their financials look like from the Tax Form 990 which tells all. So which one is giving money away in the Myrtle Beach Area, I want to research it to see how much they can give to the Little River Club in Miami, they really need money more than Holly Hill Florida.

Thanks for finding a new source of funds for the little River Club in Miami, they will be ecstatic when I tell them who to mooch off of and how much they can afford.

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Clara's picture

Does it give the birthdays, too? Don't worry, JR. The funds will be made available should they accept.

And the Little River Club can accept donations from outsie individuals because the club isn't an AA entity. Most Alano revoery type clubs are like that. They are non-profits that anyone can contribute to...

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JR Harris's picture

To a group in Holly Hill Florida you don't know, can't find a GSR for and is deeply entrenched in controversy?

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Clara's picture

You can keep asking questions, JR, but I think I will demure from here on out. According to the Intergroup office, there isn't controversy and that website that Anti cites is news to them. He pulled it up and noticed that the articles were from other places. He'll get back to me with more information, but he did tell me that that group hasn't paid for space because they don't have to. ONLY IF YOU WANT TO ASSURE THE SPOT.

That's my last post on the subject until later.

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JR Harris's picture

And I'm the one that is telling you the controlling Intergroup of the Holly Hill Sunrise Group, it's on there monthly flyer. Unless there is a secret Intergroup also that I don't know about.

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Clara's picture

I don't know what they do yet as I haven't attended. We never passed the hat at the beach meetings, so who knows? Maybe they don't pay anything because they don't take in anything or have expenses. What do the NA groups do?

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JR Harris's picture

Wow, how do they pay for the coffee and cups? I guess they don't have meeting except on public beaches, talk about anonymity, no one will realize they are AA members when they are standing around holding hands in a circle chanting. It is a busy public beach?

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becket's picture

So what if it is a busy public beach? So what if people did stand around holding hands in a circle saying a prayer together? Is that illegal? Not talking about rape and child beatings and mandated criminals here - I'm addressing ONLY what JR Harris refers to in his post 3/20/12, posted at 20:40 - nothing more. Would these activities be illegal or interfering with anyone else's activities at the beach? If not, then why is this a problem for you, JR?

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Clara's picture

You can see it for yourself if you google 67th AVenue North and 17 business, in MB. There is an alcove that we sat in. I would park my SUV and open up the back and have coffee, cups, flavored creamers.... Otherwise, people could also just bring their own.

I don't think people going to metings in these types of places particularly care if someone knows it's an AA meeting. Anonymity doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

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