Marking of the twain...

Dear Orange, I've been thinking how I allowed the AA religion to brainwash me. After reading other accounts and also going to your (the Orange) site and reading how cults operate, presently for me, any widely held and read [aloud] dogmatic scripture or otherwise that says this right way will get you results (to heaven) or this wrong way sends you to hell.... plucks my nerves! Presently, Im pondering how to get over three decades of disease-oriented AA religious/cult thinking.

Did AA & NA come to your school?

Just curious. I was looking at pics from when I went to elementary school & junior high. I had another memory. I was in 6th grade. My whole childhood was really fucked up at times. Physical abuse, mental abuse, emotional abuse, and sexual abuse. I hated waking up in the mornings, and at night I wished I would just fall asleep and not wake up. 10 year olds are not supposed to feel that way. My dad & stepdads frequently drank beer, vodka, and took LSD; my mother & stepmother were pill heads. I hated it when they all drank.

Interview: Marcus Chatfield, Producer, 'Fix My Kid' and the Troubled Teen Industry. Stop the proliferation of A&E Intervention Beyond Scared Straight and the legalized child abuse it promotes.

Stop Institutional Abuse (SIA, and Cafety ( have already had Josh Shipp apologize for the damage he has done to teens with his Lifetime Teen Trouble Show. Now it's time to talk to A&E Intervention about the teen child abuse it is causing. Stop the insanity- PLEASE.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Danger In America

The Stepping Stones Foundation in Bedford Hills, Katonah, NY going to Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) to make 13 space parking lot in honor of Bill Wilson Oct 2, 2013

Following in the 13th Step Tradition of Bill Wilson, the marital home of Stepping Stones where Bill W. cheated on his wife and held seances with dead monks and sea captains is yet again trying to expand with a 13 space parking lot. Being turned down last year by the zoning board, the Stepping Stones Foundation is going in front of the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) at 7:30pm on Wednesday Oct, 2, 2013.

"The Little Red Book" = c.1995 Copyright-free big book

I writing this with the hope that someone else remembers this book title or something about this aa-controversy. Around 1995-6, I learned from a GSR report that a group of aa guys had self-published the copyright-free portion of the big book, and that they had been distributing their books for free. I also learned that these guys had bankrupted themselves in their mission to be the aa-Gideons. I remember also that the GSR report included that one of them had been screamed at a Service Event.

"Mr. Brooks" the 2007 movie starring Kevin Costner and Demi Moore about a Serial Killer in Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

Earl Brooks is a highly respected businessman and was recently named Portland's Man of the Year. He hides a terrible secret however: he is a serial killer known as the Thumbprint Killer. He has been attending AA meetings and has kept his addiction to killing under control for two years now but his alter ego, Marshall, has re-appeared and is pushing him to kill again.

Don't Drink, Do as you please,,,,

I thought you might like to know, I have been doing this for over 43 years. Soberman

One article to silence the 12 steppers

I have always wanted one article on alcoholism from a reputable scientific authority that blows the myths and misconceptions about alcoholism out of the water and refutes the claims of AA. There's so much of what AA teaches about alcoholism that is completely wrong and unsupported by medical and epidemiological evidence that it can be hard to quickly convince someone unfamiliar with it that the popular understanding of alcoholism is completely at odds with the evidence regarding alcoholism and recovery. I think that the following 2 page article from the NIAAA does this very well.

1983 documentary - Children of Darkness Survivors of the Elan School knew this documentary existed - we just couldn't find it. Some folks here have expressed interest in what Elan was like - in my opinion this is more like a promo film for Elan - yet normal people feel that it documents Elan's child abuse. Hard to believe it was Oscar nominated, and still the state of Maine did nothing.

Healing Power of Nature

Roberta Stimson ND / Healing Power of Nature


GROW - A 12 step mental health cult

GROW is a peer led self help group for those with mental illness. It was founded in 1957 in Australia by Fr. Cornelius Keogh (RC). GROW's program is based on the 12 steps of AA with some slight changes. Just as in AA, GROW is a life long program of self hate and group dependence. It's popular in Australia, New Zealand and Ireland but not very widespread in the USA - mainly Illinois and New Jersey.

Mental Health

I just got back from a therapy apt. I am so happy to report that my therapist told me I have high self esteem and that's why AA never worked for me. That really felt good.

rockfeller and friends - aka the real owners of the psuedo aa hospitals

rockfeller saw and pocketed the real money in "aa" hospitals rockfeller saw and pocketed the real money in "aa" hospitals he didn't shoot his mouth off after his infamous meeting with wilson but he was behind the practice of blessing the loans foraa hospital and a new way of skimming insurance premiums to his banks - aka rockfeller and friends - aka the real owners of the psuedo aa hospitals aka the owner ofthe media aka why aa is not criticizzed by media

Who wants to be a millionaire?

I've just worked out that the 164 pages of the Big Book fit perfectly onto a standard toilet roll. I think the demand for such an item would be huge now and the customer base can only grow as more and more people leave AA. The three-ply, extra soft, version, though slightly more expensive, will have pictures of Bill W or Dr Bob on every tenth sheet, so if you time it right.........

Chapter 5 - How it Works would be used with a special relish. Maybe the ladies would also get a few smiles on their faces when it gets to the chapter "To Wives".

Orange Papers Jewelry

Recovery International - AA without the Higher Power?

Founded in 1937 by Dr. Abraham Low, Recovery International(RI) is a peer led self help group for those with mental health issues. Its organizational structure is similar to AA's except permanent meeting leaders are trained in RI methods but don't necessarily have any medical qualifications. RI describes its approach as cognitive behavioral and at first glance it appears benign but I see some disturbing characteristics and methods very similar to those used in AA... Meetings are rigidly structured and entail the following:

Youtube: "XS7RidesAgain" Rides Still This video, uploaded by "XS7RidesAgain" in 2007, is still up. Yay! "Anger management part a," is the 1st part of four. Part A is 6:59 minutes in length; b, 5:41; c, 9:12; and d, 5:41. It shows an online chatroom leader running an online chatroom on the topic of "his program," which is his 12-step worldview as for anger management. It is hilarious, and it is also 7 minutes you will never get back. Also, NSFW.

Isegoria relapsed and went right back to stepping.

I never thought I'd see the day.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): It's Not My Fault

Italian Boat captain uses the AA excuse, "It's Not My Fault"

Nice day at the beach!

Moratt's story

I was Born in 1952, Richmond, Va. We lived in an idyllic, middle class, Southern neighborhood, where children played and rode bikes till dark.

Serenity Mob!


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