Sexual Harassment =13 Stepping in AA /NA world

WHy didnt I put two and two together when I was in there trying make it safer? Every where we went they said "thats an outside issue" "No its not" we Yelled back! But is was these past few months where I realized when the older dudes meets miss newcomer, its in a meeting and he begins to flirt with her there. Even if a guy makes sexual slurs you have rights. Its Sexual harassment. Its against her/or his civil rights/ get his full name and begin to sue all of them

Coercion by a Rock Band into AA, NA and to stop taking medication? The Strange but true story of Great White and Jack Russell - March 2013

In a very strange course of events the rock band "Great White" ( attempted to coerce its once lead singer Jack Russell into going to AA and NA meetings every week and to stop taking medications such as "prednisone" a steroid and "methadone" a Doctor prescribed maintenance medicine before he is allowed back, despite being hospitalized and in Rehab many times before. Mr. Russell even ended up marrying one of his nurses.

Coerced to be There

To the tune of Bon Jovi's Livin' on a Prayer: Tommy got caught driving drunk Placed on probation He knows it's all's bunk, so bunk Gina is no longer confined Ordered by the man, she gets her slip signed For court - for court She says: We've got to hold on and keep coming back It doesn't make a difference If we fake it or crack We've been mandated and that's so whack For court - we'll give it a hack Nooo...we don't really care Woah...coerced to be there Take my hand and we'll chant the Lord's Prayer Woah...coerced to be there Tommy brought his I-Pad to play

The true story of a Hit man hired from Narcotics Anonymous who killed Dr. Gulam Moonda on a highway in Ohio May 13, 2005

Fatal Vows (S1): #7 The Moonda Case on the Crime and Investigation network ( portrays a real life problem with allowing 12 Step groups into your loved ones life and telling them all of your darkest secrets. The 2005 story of the murder of Dr. Gulam Moonda in Youngstown, Ohio and others have been hitting the news with ever increasing frequency, and they all seem to start in Rehab ....
Fatal Vows: The drug addict wife who hired a killer - The Moonda Case

Things liberal artists say

Post your favorites:

A letter complaining about the religious nature of AA

This has been posted before, maybe a year ago or so, but I can't find it, so here goes again. I think it succinctly covers the heretical nature of AA. I wonder how many church basements would still have AA meetings in them if the clergy knew the truth? Any comments Larry? "Dear Father XXX

How to report the news and maintain Anonymity of a famous AA member in Birmingham England - March 2013

Mum charged with turning up for AA meeting drunk with child By Jeanette Oldham 25 Mar 2013 Well-known figure in the West Midlands entertainment industry arrested at home A mum has been charged with being drunk in charge of a child after turning up at an evening AA meeting with her toddler daughter. The 40-year-old, a well-known figure in the West Midlands entertainment industry, was arrested at her home following the incident at a city church.

You can have a copy of the "signed" "Original" non-conference approved "Big Book" that was bought by Ken Roberts for $992,000 signed by someone making money off AA for only $125

Imagine the shock and awe from newcomers as you pull out a copy of the original monolith manuscript that was promised to the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous by the person that Lois Wilson gave it too, then sold numerous times for around a million dollars by the recovery whores of Alcoholics Anonymous!


The Book That Started It All: The Original Working Manuscript

First Printing September 2010 stated

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Sober House Opening in Trenton Delayed

The Temperence House lacks zoning approvals. Sober house owner plans for 25 men to live at location.

I wonder if CrackHeadLarry in recovery recognizes those bunks. I sure do!

From the newspaper story:

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Fake It! ______An AA Theme Song

Fake it. If ya have lost your direction. Good god, your dragging it out! You're such a hypocrite. I can fake it with the best of 'em.

Seether - Fake it

Teen Challenge and Catholic Services of the Island of Samoa told by US Department of Justice (USDOJ) to quit pushing Alcoholics Anonymous and god - March 2013

American Samoa is an unincorporated territory of the United States in the South Pacific Ocean that has been cited by the U.S. Department of Justice (USDOJ) Office for Civil Rights (OCR) for using federal money to push and promote Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous and god in their meetings in the Teen Challenge and Catholic Services programs. They have been told to stop and given explicit instructions to do so.
OCR recommendations include corrective actions for Teen Challenge, Catholic Services Fri, 03/22/2013 - 11:12am By Fili Sagapolutele

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): 164 & More

Locate passages in the Big Book and the 12&12 easily and with complete accuracy!

Alcoholics Anonymous Oldtimer getting ready for a "Newcomers" meeting - coming to a church basement in your area soon!

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves (Gospel of Matthew 7:15, King James Version).

Is this a blast from the past? lol

I was looking around the e-AA form having been directed there by someone, and I came across this. Does it sound familiar to anyone?. Can anyone hazard a guess as to who it could be? No prizes, I'm afraid. It's a bit too easy this one. Someone called Teddy top posted about being on an anti-AA site. He was just asking if anyone else had encountered such sites and was immediately labelled "troll". It seems that someone is hurting because she can't post on here any more lol

The Nietzsche Family Circus

Brilliant. Check it out:

Shamokin, PA AA General Service Area 59 District 58 member tells judge he's "God's undeserving son" and the police ruined his evening. March 2013

Daniel Robert Gustitus is an Alcoholics Anonymous member in Shamokin, Pennsylvania Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) General Service Area 59 District 58 ( and did not have a good night on March 12, 2013 when Patrolman Raymond Siko II arrested "God's undeserving son" for numerous violent offenses and sent him to jail instead of a psychiatrist.

In AA everything is a "Suggestion"

Look up "suggestion" in Wikipedia and the first line is :- "Suggestion is the psychological process by which one person guides the thoughts, feelings, or behaviour of another." I wonder if this is what Bill W really meant?

Wondering if someone might have an answer

What exactly happens between the court order or intervention when someone goes kicking and screaming to attend AA, and then a one day later 'contract' that the person of interest has apparently agreed to do 'whatever it takes'?!? I had this line dropped on me during my coerced attendance and attempted conversion, but I do not remember ever entering said contract. Did I miss the 'miracle'?!?

Just how successful is AA?

I have great faith in statistics. I've used them many times in my working life. They are a powerful tool for planning engineering. The use of statistics has improved many people lives without them realising it. Just for a bit of fun, I thought we could look at AA success rate from a marketing point of view. First, let's identify the potential market.

Grapevine Question

The AA Grapevine is called "Our meeting in Print." So if a person is mandated to attend AA meetings, shouldn't the person be able fulfill the requirement by reading a Grapevine article at home? Moreover, since every AA meeting is pretty much exactly the same, shouldn't the person be able to just read the same article over and over? As far as slip signing goes, maybe the person could photocopy the article and submit it to his probation officer as proof?

Prospects for Fun

Prospects for Fun By: Liar Baits I want my VH1 Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it You chant Bill Wilson on the VH1 That ain't workin' that's the way you do it Money for nothin' prospects for fun Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it Lemme tell ya Dr. Drew ain't dumb Maybe wrap a pigeon around your little finger Maybe crush a pigeon with your thumb We gotta recite laminated posters Boring 4th Step inventories We gotta sign these mandated court cards We gotta repeat these same stories See the liberal artist with the necktie and the rehab

World Health Organization says AA is: "cult" like, anti-medication and potentially harmful

The World Health Organization in the Mental Health section of its website provides: "Evidence-based recommendations for management of alcohol use disorders in non-specialized health settings" Here, the WHO asks the question: "Should non-specialist health care providers refer alcohol dependent patients and their family members to mutual help groups such as AA?" In its reply to the question the WHO evaluates the "Balance of benefits versus harms". The following is the WHO's opinion:

The paradox of Denial and Self motivation in AA

AA's membership surveys contain information on how AA members were introduced to AA: whether through an AA member, court order, family member, health professional, etc. AA's most recent survey in 2011 shows that 29% of AA members were "self-motivated" to attend AA initially ( In fact, over the last 20 years AA membership surveys have shown that on average one third of AA members were "self-motivated" to attend AA initially.

How do you get 2000 members to join a "private Alano club" in Seattle? Michael Martin Shepard arrested for selling drugs at Nomadian Community Resource Center March 12, 2013

Feds allege man dealt drugs from private South Seattle ‘club’ Posted by Mike Carter March 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM The owner of a South Seattle nonprofit community resource “club” that hosted Alcoholics Anonymous meetings has been arrested on a federal complaint alleging he was dealing large quantities of oxycodone and other illegal pills.

Letters to Orange
Date: Mon, January 21, 2013 8:45 am (Answered 25 January 2013) From: "Mary K C." Subject: disappointment Sometimes it's unfortunate that we have freedom of speech, press, etc. This article should be banned. Mary K. C. RN Staffing Resource Office ClairVia Support 434xxxxxxx
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