Murder???? Assisted Suicide??

Not a good story,but one I heard from 2 AAers I know.One AA was dieing and in pain.This GOB visited him in the hospital and somehow the conversation got around to- well,how about I help you to die?You are in soo much pain.I'll kill you and your pain will be over.Amazing is,he actually spoke about doing this at a meeting. He was in the poor sod's hospital room and started to smother him with a pillow.Somehow He took a break while the other AAer said "I changed my mind.I don't want to die right now."

Is the Orange Papers doing a Bob Beamon?

In the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City Bob beamon absolutely smashed the world long jump record by jumping 29' 2½". The previous record stood at 27' 6½" - so the world record never stood at 28 feet and something. The OP monthly hits count has been close to the 3 million mark for some months now - it was just a matter of time before it happened. This month has gone crazy. It looks like the OP hits count is going to hit a new record over 4 million, never having had 3 million as the best monthly count. The word is getting out there.

Suicide Anonymous - A sick and twisted approach to psychiatric illness

Until a few days ago I didn't know that Suicide Anonymous existed. Even the idea of SA seemed ludicrous - how can anyone be addicted to suicide or suicidal ideation? But that's what SA believes: that those with psychiatric illness and suicidal ideation have a "suicide addiction". Ridiculous!

Rational Recovery

SMART Recovery?

What's so smart about it? SMART Recovery has a hands off policy when it comes to criticizing AA. They don't recognize the amount of damage AA has caused as an organization... and when a person is deprogramming, they don't allow them to talk about their negative experiences. Lately SMART meetings have become intermingled with steppers who speak about their sponsors, serenity, and all of the other bullshit that goes along with AA. When a person like myself speaks up, we are told that we are not allowed to talk about it.

What came first?

The drinking (drugging) or the problems?

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): You NEED to HIT Bottom

The longer I look at AA and NA from the other side of the fence now, the darker it all becomes. Prior to leaving AA, I never imagined that our society would allow such heinous madness to persist openly and with so little opposition or uproar from our society. I feel like I have had blinders on!

Minnesota (home of Hazelden) sober high schools are faltering, now two more are closing. May 28, 2013

Starting a Recovery School: A How-To Manual (Hazelden Professional Library)
Publisher: Hazelden Publishing & Educational Services
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1592853064
ISBN-13: 978-1592853069

Minnesota's sober high schools are faltering

Article by: PAUL LEVY , Star Tribune
Updated: May 28, 2013

The state that pioneered sober high schools, and once was home to a dozen, will be down to four next month.

"Those AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) people make me sick"

It is interesting to see this different view. They don't want recovery and definitely don't want to stop drinking. It makes me wonder how often sobriety or recovery is pushed onto a person, maybe from a doctor, a judge, or family. I further wonder how often a person just says "OK" to some form of "treatment", just because it's easier than trying to explain that they love to drink and want to live and die that way.

SOBER HIGH SCHOOL in NYC Promoted by actress Kirsten Johnson

OK Holy shit ...did she get to grow up and be an adult before she was brainwashed into thinking she was powerless...She was an adult.....she was not a child getting sober as a teen. I was . I know how vulnerable you are then. This really is upsetting. Oh yea JOe Schrank is on the Board too , the founder of The Fix. None of these poeple got sober as a teen ... This is another way for them to make a shit load of money in their rehabs from rich fear based parents. RUN FROM THIS HIGHSHOOL if you are a parent of young person.

opiate withdrawal

I originally wrote this elsewhere. I need to get something off my chest -- but I hesitate because I almost feel like I'm behaving in an AA behavior - the one where I confess something that I have been doing wrong. Confession is the last freaking thing I wanna do. I hate that I was ever in that cult. I sometimes still hear the slogans and chants. I flash back on all the people I trusted, being in those roomz -- wasting my damn time, hanging out with folks who were harmful. It makes me angry. It makes me feel sad. I have been crying on and off today for 5 hours.

Tom Toolan

Toolan was in Rehab a number of times, beginning in 1999 , one of those times was a 30 day stint at Hazeldon. It didn't work! Beth Lochtefeld is found murdered in 2004 in her Nantucket, Massachusetts home, and police tie the crime to her boyfriend, Tom Toolan. Saw it on Dateline the other night

What happened to me

I think I owe Rolf an apology when I inadvertently changed the thread of his blog "How did it happen" about being duped by the cult of steppism, to another discussion of Smart Recoveries policy of censorship of criticism of steppism.

AA observed closely

One riff since 1976 is acceptance is the answer to all my problems. Here is how the con works. A guru will state the words of Dr Paul O. and if you do not accept the great wonderful key to life then you are not accepted. Dissent of a new age junkie that wrote himself dope prescriptions and drank himself silly is met as heretics that have hijacked the AA group insist has to be the centerpiece of reality. Trouble is there isnt a single acceptance or terms of life or practical common sense action to take.

The "delete" post inspired me : )

As I was reading this fine fine site, I came upon a topic titled "delete" by one of our wonderful bloggers. It was an empty posting. HOWEVER, being the curious, creative, sometimes-snarky little rainbow that I am, I became inspired and thought, "Hmm, what would I like deleted?" Y'all really do inspire me. My life is so much more fun and happier these past months since I'm free from those kool-aid drinking carnival of freaks. Anyway, I replied with this: ******************************************************************************* Dear SantaDoorknobGod,


interesting article in Sunday Times uk

Just read this article about a famous soccer player here in the UK who has fallen on hard times ,his name is Paul Gascoigne ,he used to play for England ,has been in and out of Rehab for the last 7 years ,this is what a journalist wrote about rehab in relation to Gascoigne Does rehab work?.Have you ever heard of these clinics really helping? .Celebs check in stay for a while ,check out and return to the behaviour that led them to rehab in the first place ,so it seems .

Rehab as Cause of Death

Stanton Peele Article Over the weekend, yet another famous entertainer—Cory Monteith, star of "Glee"—died following a stint in rehab, which Monteith said he entered in April of this year. (Monteith, who is Canadian, did not say where he was treated.) He had spent the night out with friends and returned alone to his Vancouver hotel room to die in the early morning. Autopsy results are not available, but it is highly troubling when an outwardly healthy person (Monteith played a football star on the show) dies at the age of 31, months after receiving "treatment" for his substance abuse.

AA is Deemed Highly Religious Already in 25 states. Know Your Rights! Attention DUI ...

Join Massive and Bob Warner who sued the state and won back in 1996 for a 1 hour show on Religious meeetings....AA ....ICYPAA ....young people getting indoctrinated into AA so young. How can we stop this? Who do we need to educate. Parents! Lawyers! Therapists! Teachers! PTA! Doctors!

Meet MASSIVE in Las Vegas for huge Trial Lawyers Convention Im going. Will you join us to mix and mingle with lawyers, both steppers and normies to spread the word and facts about Alcoholics Anonymous, the dangers and the other free options that we feel need to promoted. Aug 29-Sept 1, 3013.

How easy is it to find a "Women Only" Alcoholics Anonymous meeting? If you live in El Paso, TX there are 4 meetings out of 108

Because of the enlightenment of the problems of sexual and financial stalking in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous, everyone is claiming that Women should only go to Women meetings and I decided to find out how easy that is. I am still compiling data, but it would appear that only about 4% of meetings are Women only. I can find no Women only "beginners meetings" and Women only AA meetings don't appear to be very common everyday. This means that if you are a Woman and a newcomer doing your 90 meetings in 90 days it would be impossible do.

If MDs sounded like steppers...................

I don’t post here much, mostly lurk, but I had something occur to me this morning and wanted to share it somewhere. What if Doctors fielded questions about medications like addiction “professionals” field questions about 12 step? If both of these fields are working toward the good health of the individual, it seems they would sound a lot alike? But I don’t think they do. Here is what an actual Dr./Patient medication conversation usually sounds like: Patient: Dr., my cholesterol medicine is hurting my short-term memory. I have read online that this can be a side effect

HELP- I need your help people :-)

Yesterday was a landmark day in the fight to enlighten the masses (thanks massive :-)) towards the horror show that is AA. We've put a chip in the armor and the dam is ready to break. Monica did a great job exposing the predatory nature of disgusting middle age steppers who prey on the unsuspecting.

HBO to show documentary about the brutal Petit murders in Cheshire, CT in 2007 by two people who met in Rehab, NA and AA - Air Date July 22, 2013

In a deadly and gruesome murder in Cheshire, Connecticut on July 23, 2007, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, age 48 and her daughters Hayley Petit, age 17 and Michaela Petit, age 11 are viciously murdered by Steven Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky in front of their father, William Petit who barely escaped. Both men met in Rehab and had attended NA and AA meetings together when they decided to go on a rampage that is very reminiscent of the Criminal Minds "The Thirteenth Step" Season 6: Episode 13 of January 26, 2011 (

AA (Bull$hit) Thoughts For The Day (July 16)

. Alcoholics Anonymous. Spiritual or Religious? You make the call...
*********************************************************** Daily Reflections (July 16) "A MEASURE OF HUMILITY" In every case, pain had been the price of admission into a new life. But this admission price had purchased more than we expected. It brought a measure of humility, which we soon discovered to be a healer of pain. (TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS, p. 75)


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