Does anyone have any experience with AVRT? Rational Recovery?

Hey does anyone know much about the Rational Recovery site? And they have this AVRT program! I have read a little about it from their site. Sounds like something quite different to stepism!

any individual's resolutions and personal conversion experiences are fine ....

but please - just don't make me have to have your conversion experience and please don't start chanting with synchronized voices like some white-witch pow-wow holy voodoo doll balls - batman !*$*%*(&%(*) as if only your "words and ways" will fix everyone (who is truly worthy and honest) but only when a goat is slain and burnt at an altar dipped in your special mind sauces and please don't make me dance around the 12 step May Pole and tell me god waits until you do 12 back flips which "finally makes him feel" like helping you

"Sober Companions"

So rehabs don't work, and 12-step doesn't work, and sponsorship doesn't work -- but you can pay for a "Sober Companion." It's an 18 minute commercial with the usual fear-mongering and slogans and lack of a demonstrable success rate.

Has the Triple A Preacher been violating the FTC rules regarding the National Do Not Call Registry?

A recent post by OPF member avo
A reverse search on the phone number shows that people have complained about harassing phone calls from Jim. They were receiving unwanted evangelizing messages on their phone, as well as anti psychiatry solicitations. Here are a couple of the complaints: 800-419-1426 12 Jan 2009

Orange - Jim Battle simply has to go

I know you're aware of the disruption his presence has caused, but it really has reached the point where action has to be taken if this forum isn't to disintegrate. He represents everything that the vast majority of the members actually came here to get away from. He acts with exactly the same mindset of an AA oldtimer, just spouts from a different book. His original belligerent preaching was bad enough, but recently he's sunk to constantly whining about how he's being victimised. Everyone's had enough.

Rolf's Anti-Christianity Agenda

This post was written in response to Rolf Ankerman's "YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE WRONG CHOIR!" post dated 12/27/2013. "The thief cometh not, but for to STEAL, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10 KJV) Rolf,

Following Christ Instead of The Steps (Part 11)

This is from the book titled Twelve Steps To Destruction, by Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan. You can read this book for free online: From the chapter: Twelve-Step Idolatry


JimBobBattle wrote……..“The Bible also does not teach us to empower ourselves, but rather to deny ourselves” WTF! This is pretty much the same as AA’s inane “suggestion” in step three “to turn (SURRENDER) our WILL and our LIVES…..” It’s the same damn thing! And, it’s why AA is a HORRIBLE resource for overcoming dependencies and ….why organized religion is a HORRIBLE guide for living your life. It goes against what the large majority of the people on this forum and others who are critical of the 12-Step “recovering” model think and feel is the SANE and LOGICAL way to address the issue.

Tommy Johnson of Austin County, Texas wants to be a court judge after he turned himself in for theft and then went to Alcoholics Anonymous in General Service Area 68

Johnson: varied experience makes for a good judge

Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:43 pm

A man of many trades and second chances, Tommy Johnson wants the citizens of Austin County to know he is the man who will work tenaciously to do what the people think is right.

“I’m the underdog, but I’m a bulldog,” he said.

Sorry about the double post.

Sorry about the double post. My computer played a trick on me.

Orange Confirms that Jim Battle's Polls & Posts CAN Be Changed by Some Mysterious Person

Live-Free-Or-Die, On your blog you posted an article titled: "Setting the record straight on changing comments". This article is dated 12/25/2013 and was posted at 19:24. In this article, you claimed that no one's posts and comments (including mine) could be change by another person. And others who accused me of lying and looking for a loophole agreed with you. You actually said, "I have been on this forum for over two years, and NOBODY can change another's comments in a blog/forum post."

Jim Battle’s prison ministry site.

A few days ago, some of Jim Battles lies early on in his duration here on the OPF were pointed out, and the honesty of a few of Jim Battle’s business practices regarding his ministries was also called into question. At this point he became very evasive, claiming we couldn’t prove anything. At that time, I discovered that one of his sites had been disabled.

As it stands now Jim Battle and his god can have it.

This will be my last post. don't drink/drug, even if your ass falls off Sober-man

US tourist in Costa Rica shot and killed Dec. 22, 2013 believed by some to be a relapsing member of Alcoholics Anonymous

In a very sad turn of events, a US tourist in Costa Rica was shot and killed this holiday season. It is really too bad that the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous in Costa Rica will most likely use his death as a lesson to those who fall off the wagon....

Following Christ Instead of The Steps (Part 10)

This is a commentary on the book titled Twelve Steps To Destruction, by Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan. You can read this book for free online: "Codependency" and "Addictions" (Part 2) "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." (Jas 4:10 KJV) Still speaking about so-called codependency, the authors say:

My Rant ~ Beyond the Anger ~ What the heck is going on??

I was in AA for about 3 years and frankly just couldnt come to accept alot of the crap that is served up! Im a person that generally needs to see proof that alot of their claims actually work before I commit to something whole heartedly like they suggest!! If it wasnt for some strange shit going on with some of my fellow AA friends, and really observing the mistreatment and outright bullshit they received, I doubt very much I would be here outside of it right now! Thank God for common sense and basic intuition!

Where did you have dinner on Christmas Day 2013?

The new rush to dine out on Christmas Day

By Charles Passy
Dec. 25, 2013, 1:12 p.m. EST

Forget those long, lazy Christmas mornings of unwrapping presents and enjoying the company of friends and family at home. At Good Enough to Eat, a beloved brunch and dinner spot on New York’s Upper West Side, there’s bacon to be fried and pancake batter to be mixed — and a host of customers to greet.

Setting the record straight on changing comments

I have been on this forum for over two years, and NOBODY can change another's comments in a blog/forum post. For instance, nobody on this forum can change the wording of my comments within this post. The ONLY thing that can be changed/edited by a person that is not the original poster has to do with the polls. Once a poll has been put up, the poll RESPONSES can be changed or reworded, deleted or added to by ANYONE. The Original poll QUESTION can even be changed.

Sweet Smoking Jesus - A Christian's Nightmare

Sweet Smoking Jesus is a 3D picture, dating to 1959, in which Jesus Christ looks at you, then lights a cigarette, takes a nice long drag and then ponders your fate before exhaling. The image of Jesus Christ, is an anomaly according to its creator, the now defunct Maxfield Novelty and Regalia Company of Racine, a large-ish city in Wisconsin, which manufactured 3D image shift pictures from 1940 through 1970.

It's the Crazy Jim Battle Christmas

Easy one this - you've just got to guess the date that Crazy Jim finally gets banned from this forum. Can't be long now. He was pretty quick to falsely claim it was him that caused the rapid rise in hits to the site. He doesn't seem to be so quick in claiming the 20% drop in hits this month...lmao.

Maybe a second part of the competition could be to create a record of everyone Crazy Jim has called a liar. Post if you've been caught in Crazy Jim's

The prize :-

Jesus Christ & Smoking: A Child's Nightmare

An Ordinary Day December 1, 1969 was a normal day as days go. Nothing out of the ordinary happened. My family and I went to bed at our usual time. As we retired for the evening, little did I know that my life would change forever after that night. Sometime in the middle of the night I woke up to our youngest son, Joe, screaming at the top of his lungs. Like any good father, I pushed my wife out of bed and told her to "shut that kid up before he wakes the neighbors." I then rolled over and went back to sleep.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Alcoholics Anonymous Is A False Religion? (authors of Twelve Steps To Destruction, Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan, Called Wicked).

An article from A True Church I. History [Most of the following history was taken from the book, 'Pass It On,' The story of Bill Wilson and how the A.A. message reached the world, copyright 1984, Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.]

Who Invented Christianity?

To be continued…Question: what is your view of the Bible? Sober-man: If you don’t have the book, you should go buy it. By “Bart D. Ehrman” in "Jesus Interrupted"

Happy 25th December

Happy 25th December to all the atheists and Merry Christmas, to all who believe in Father Christmas. I don't come here too often but still follow JR on rss. Looks like most people I know, have left, but have a good day anyway.

Following Christ Instead of The Steps (Part 9)

This is a commentary on the book titled Twelve Steps To Destruction, by Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan. You can read this book for free online: "Codependency" and "Addictions" "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my DISCIPLES indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32 KJV)

The Night Before Christmas

Twas the night before Christmas and all through AA The culties were praying their drinking away The people were nestled all snug in their beds While visions of character defects danced in their heads Please continue...

Been going though a lot

emotionally. Tis the season for me but I seem to go through a lot any time of year! LOL It is worse this time of year though normally however. Starts getting better as the daylight increases and thank goodness that has begun.

A very Happy Holiday to all of you!

I'll be away the next few days but want to extend my wishes to all of you for a healthy, happy, peaceful, and loving Christmas. Thanks to all of you for just being here and giving me a chance to learn, find support and offer support as well. For the most part it's fun, and a pleasant place to have a voice.

A Little Help for Ashley

Hello, Everyone. It's Mark from the Stinkin' Thinkin' blog.

A fond farwell to the VW minibus in Brazil December 2013, one of the last countries to stop producing them.

Perhaps no other car company’s products better fit postwar boomers better than Volkswagen VLKAY +1.01% . And while Beetles were far more plentiful, it’s the VW bus that’s best remembered as that generation’s adventure wagon — transporting (and often housing) roving bands of hippies, surfers and campers.


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