After you watch this please tell me if there is any hope that we can bring this bullshit 12 step culture to its proper size and reason. Bring it to it's knees. Do they realize that women will go to these meetings now and not know that pedophiles and rapists are going there intentionally? OMFUCKING GOD!!!! How can these actors be in this film. Its hopeless..... This is beyond depressing. Massive:(

Kickstarter Campaign The 13Th Step was Rejected because it was CAUSED BASED! BIG DEAL WE MOVED it to Indiegogo!!!

After working for months on this Kickstarter Campaign, today they sent me an email rejecting my Documentary Film camapign on the grounds it is too"caused based' Really.... Lets talk about the Film The ANONYMOUS People, a totally pro AA doc film, or Freedom Fighters which is caused based, or Above ALL Else XL Pipeline Doc. which is also caused based. We wrote back asking them to explain what makes mine so different. The replies were inane. So we are moving it to Indigogo. I guess there is a huge stepper running KICKSTARTER!!! Am I surprised? NO!

OOPS - All Alcoholics Anonymous meetings at Anna Jaques Hospital in Newburyport, MA banned for second time in General Service Area 30 - Aug. 2013

Anna Jaques Hospital is a non-profit located at 25 Highland Avenue, Newburyport, MA 01950 ( that employs roughly 1000 people including about 250 doctors. For some reasons that I am sure are not being completely divulged, all Alcoholics Anonymous meetings at the facility are being banned for a second time in recent history.

All Drugs are Artificial

Something in my reading has really gotten me lately. It is the idea that certain drugs are ok and some are not. Certain drugs are "nasty" and the others are not. Certain ways of imbibing in drugs are ok ad some are not. Many will se the marijuana argument coming, but there is more. Heroin, Cocaine, Alcohol, LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote, Mescalin, Benzos, Caffeine, Nicotine, Barbiturates, Meth, and every other drugs you can name is artificial. Let me give you the best example: Weed.

recovery & deprogramming brain storming

Firstly, for the steadfast anti AA's who will not tolerate AA - any effort to eliminate AA will be exceedingly difficult i.e. like Scientology or Mormonism, AA will most likely be around a long time.

Necessities for quitting/controlling alcohol/drugs

With more KNOWLEDGE every day about the human body and mind,understanding how to quit or to control, what has spun out of control, is available.ON Forum ,there is learning and knowing that the AA pogram for quitting does not work.So what does ?How can someone who is self-medicating with alcohol and or drugs level out and have a good happy life?Also the person who has only alcohol for friend to fill the empty spaces inside find another way to acheive some genuine satisfaction.gratification?

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Dealing With The Anger

A recent post here on the Orange Papers Forum asked: How do people that have left AA cope with the anger about being lied to and duped into a religious cult? The very next day I watched the demolishing of the house of Ariel Castro. Mr. Castro is the man that kidnapped and held three young girls in his Cleveland, Ohio, house for 10 years. This story is horrendous and evil. The story of this man is that he abducted these 3 girls, held them in captivity, tortured them and constantly raped them. A very sick man and I think he should put down like a rabid dog.

We can't sit by and stand for this!!!!!!!!!

Everybody should jump on their blog and put them and this article in its place. I just did! Does Science Show What 12 Steps Know? Data seem to support the 12-step program's benefits for addicts. A bible being read by an individual struggling with addiction. Photograph by Juan Carlos Ulate, Reuters Jarret Liotta for National Geographic

Stanton Peele Present-What will replace the 12-Steps?

I'll be there. Any of you guys care to join me? Thursday, September 19, 2013 from 7:00 PM to 10:00 PM (EDT) Stanton Peele Presents - What Will Replace the 12 Steps? Wollman Hall - The New School 65 West 11th Street New York, NY 10011 Event Details The Lower East Side Harm Reduction Center in conjunction with The New School for Social Research present the Harm Reduction Speakers Series. Our lecturer this evening is Dr. Stanton Peele.

Deaths in rehabs make Drudge Not sure whether this may cause a badly needed national discussion on the effectiveness of this madness, or simply reinforce that people are not working the steps properly.

Noam Chomsky quote

that is perfect for the AA faith. “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” Noam Chomsky

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To Gunthar.... :-) Yay!!!! Have a great day, my friend.

Get your Angries out

Anger is a secondary emotion covering up hurt and injury. Check out your expectations. If you expect other people to behave a certain way and they don't then set a boundary of what you will not accept or accept and stick to it, some people create negativity in others, cut them out. If you feel others owe you and they don't come through, then look at your expectations, are you setting yourself up to be hurt.


I'm sure this topic has come up in the past and it's likely that I may have started a discussion about it: Anger. How do you/we cope?

In need of serious deprogramming and support

Hi everyone - this is my first blog entry here. Bear with me. So...I'm technically a member, or I have been a member of AA. I started going in 2006 and have gone on and off since then. I haven't been sober since then. In fact, the last time I drank was about two weeks ago. My AA friends don't know that - no rigorous honesty here. Anyway, I want to be sober. The trouble is, lately I've had this resentment toward AA. I haven't been to a meeting in about a month and I really don't want to go to another one. I don't think it's helping me, evidenced in part by my many relapses.

"I'm Not Guilty, I'm Just Sick"

by Bert Thompson, Ph.D. I snipped a bunch out. Here is the link for the full article:

AA For Christians?

AA members are angry, Oldtimers are the angriest - according to medical research.

AA literature insists that anger contributes to alcoholism and that an alcoholic can't recover without eliminating anger. The Big Book states that "If we were to live, we had to be free of anger." The 12&12 states that "Anger, that occasional luxury of more balanced people, could keep us on an emotional jag indefinitely."

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Woman confesses to torture and killing abusive boyfriend Roy Nicol in garage in 2002 as part of Alcoholics Anonymous 5th Step - let go free

Vic woman spared jail after kill admission Daniel Fogarty, AAP August 1, 2013, 1:30 pm A Melbourne woman who confessed during an Alcoholics Anonymous program to delivering two blows to her abusive former boyfriend, which she believed killed him, has been spared prison time. The woman was subjected to years of abuse from the man who broke her bones, raped and stabbed her, the Victorian Supreme Court heard on Thursday.

The Cheshire Murders A few days ago I saw this documentary on HBO. What really stood out for me was the mention that Hayes was involved in NA, he had it down pat, they called him Mr NA. He ran into Komisjarvesky at an AA meeting, they hooked up and planned the home invasion which led to the rape and murder of the Petit family.

is dead?

no updates in two days?


HAMS as many of you will know, stands for Harm Reduction, Abstinence and Moderation. It is a network which offers genuine support , which ever of the three options you choose. This network also realises that for many of us some form of AA deprogramming will be necessary to loose old ideas before embarking on constructive, helpful 'habit change'. What do people think about this idea of one meeting catering for different options? Different options for the same person at different stages of sobriety? Can ALL problem drinkers unite and solve their individual problems together?

The Oxford Minidictionary

I was looking up a few words in the Oxford Minidictionary this morning. Rant = make a violent speech

Stage one: Coercion

Murder???? Assisted Suicide??

Not a good story,but one I heard from 2 AAers I know.One AA was dieing and in pain.This GOB visited him in the hospital and somehow the conversation got around to- well,how about I help you to die?You are in soo much pain.I'll kill you and your pain will be over.Amazing is,he actually spoke about doing this at a meeting. He was in the poor sod's hospital room and started to smother him with a pillow.Somehow He took a break while the other AAer said "I changed my mind.I don't want to die right now."


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