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I must remain teachable?

What does that even mean?

Alcohol Problem?

Just go to AA, turn your life and will over to God, and everything will be okay.

It's not a cult! I swear!

Here are the 12 steps you must follow otherwise your only options are jails, institutions, or death...

Serenity... Sung to the tune of Me and Bobby McGee

Busted with a case of booze
Driving down the street
Feeling just as helpless as I could
My lawyer said that maybe I
Should head out to AA
The judge was gonna tell me that I should
I got a little drunk
And I missed a couple meetings
And I worked the program
Just the best I could.
Half measures availed me not
I gave the program all I got
I gave that program everything I could

Mission Statement?

"The reason for the existence of the forum is to make it possible for people to help each other to get over both alcohol abuse and cult religion. Anything that defeats that purpose is counter-productive, and can hurt people, and that can't go on." ~Orange

Is Nothing Sacred?... Alcoholics Anonymous

Here is a photo of Robin Williams at an AA meeting.

Bill W. schizophrenia?

I once suffered from alcoholism, but people are not so wise to the fact that I suffer also from schizophrenia, split personality. I have a personality say as a patriarch of A.A., founding father, if you like, and I also have a personality as an A.A. member and between these personalities is a terrific gulf.

Anti AA movement?

That term makes us look like a bunch of idiots.


Originally designed to make money for the founders, AA's self perpetuating mind trap chugs on.

It won't be long before it's gone though.

The Killing

The Killing is a crime drama series originally produced by AMC and later picked up by Netflix which produced the final six episode season. The show went on for four seasons, and was THE BEST series I've ever seen. I was, however, disappointed with the very last episode where one of the main characters recovers from addiction through Narcotics Anonymous and the 12 steps. You can see some of Netflix' portrayal of 12 step programs at 46:40 of this video.

SMART Recovery Website Hacked?

From the SMART Recovery website...

The Jesus Fish 500

Since people are reposting I figured I'd post my story again. It's all about me me me! lol! When I was a kid I got the shit kicked out of me a couple of times a week. My mom would make me strip naked and she’d beat me with a plastic belt. She’s tell me that I was getting nine lashes and, “You little bastard, if you even move an inch or make a single peep I’ll cut your balls off and give you another three lashes.”


Hi folks. Just wanted to let you know that if you are participating at you are posting on a website that was stolen from me and a few other contributors. As a team we organized and we wrote all of the information on the website. We also paid for a two year contract with the web template host. The cost was almost $300.00 How can this be possible?

Thanks Orange!

I like the new features. Seems that some people are allowed to edit... I'm not one of them. The orange color does not appear on the tag on my taskbar... That's still blue. Looks like now you can see summary of edits.... cool. You can also see how many people have read each post.\ Anything I missed?

Systematic deconstruction...

Systematic deconstruction of your personality. Those who feel excessive remorse are more likely to submit to superstitious beliefs.... In other words, if you feel guilty enough you'll believe anything. The goal of the 12 steps is to to make you feel guilty enough that you will be willing to believe that sky daddy loves you so much that he'll keep you sober from meeting to meeting... One day at a time. Hopefully for the rest of your life. Imagine that! A life of AA meetings?!!!

Robert Downey Jr's son arrested for cocaine.

Statement from the actor...
"Unfortunately there's a genetic component to addiction and Indio has likely inherited it. Also, there is a lot of family support and understanding, and we’re all determined to rally behind him and help him become the man he's capable of being. We’re grateful to the Sheriff’s department for their intervention, and believe Indio can be another recovery success story instead of a cautionary tale.”

Hi Folks!

Orange has given me a second chance. I'd like to say I'm sorry for what happened on this forum a while back. I hope that all of you can see it in your hearts to forgive me. Looking forward to participating here in the future.


Page NOT Redirection

Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement

Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement I’m hosting a show on blog talk radio today at 2:PM eastern time. The topic will be current topics in the AA critical movement. Please feel free to call in and speak to me at (646) 787-8391 Please bookmark the page and share on facebook.


Craigslist has community monitored forums for specific topics. Community monitored means that the forums operate on a flagging system allowing for the tyranny of the majority... People with unpopular opinions get flagged off the boards. This allows AA members to dominate the forums and get rid of any opposing posters as they please. I am posting here today to ask you to participate in an organized flagging campaign against AA members on that forum so that we can take over the forum and give them a bit of their own business.

Self Denial?

The perception of many AA members is that the drink problem stems from defects of character, and that only a radical spiritual experience can restore the former drinker to a state of harmony with themselves and the world around them. A common theme among AA members is that the natural state of an alcoholic is drunk, while the desired state is to walk live in the grace of God, which is only granted to those who sufficiently surrender their lives and will over to the care of God.

The Definition of Insanity

The definition of insanity… Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. If You've tried AA over and over again, and You're not getting the results you were promised, maybe it's time You tried something else. Think about it.


Suggesting that other people should be suspicious of their health care providers is as irresponsible as the shit that goes on within AA. If you want to play doctor, perhaps you should do it somewhere else.

Friends of Bill W. on Facebook

I signed up for Friends of Bill W. on Facebook and offered my opinions about AA. Here is a typical response...
I have been around these rooms for 20 years. Can't even begin to count the times I've heard that we are liars cheats and thieves. Your choice friend on what path you take. AA does not work for every one some die of this deal seen it happen with family and friend . I wish you well on the path you decide to take. We will be saving a seat for you when your ready .
Notice the assumption that I will fail without AA?

How AA's Preamble Should Read...

Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their misery, confusion and hopelessness with each other that they may forever live in their common problem and help others to become members of their religious cult. The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop thinking for yourself. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; AA is self supporting through member's own contributions.

The Abram Hoffer Protocol for Alcoholism

When I was in early sobriety I found a vitamin regiment called The Abram Hoffer Protocol for Alcoholism. Curiously enough, this was developed with the help of Bill Wilson and involved massive doses of vitamins. Anyway, I cut the doses some, and I actually believe it made me feel better. I did experience a niacin flush, which was a little bit uncomfortable, but overall I think the protocol gave me more energy. Any thoughts on this?

Restore Us to Sanity?

The implication being that we were insane in the first place. AA actually perpetuates the idea that members are somehow insane, and will always be that way, with slogans like... "I need a checkup from the neck up."... "When I'm in my own head I'm in a bad neighborhood."... and "My best thinking got me here."

Personality Transplant

If you hate yourself, you will fit right in with AA. If you don't hate yourself, AA will teach you to hate yourself and convince you that you need a personality transplant in order to solve your drinking problem. If you are smart enough, you will see through the bullshit and leave before they can get their dirty mitts on your personality. Unfortunately, I bought into their bullshit for years. It took a long time to deprogram from AA.


Where did the term "bashing" come from? The first time I remember it being used was when a gay kid (I think his name Was Ryan) was tied to a fence and beaten to death. Then people started using the term "gay bashing" all of the time. "Bashing" indicates that some form of persecution, or physical violence has taken place. Is it really bashing to question, or criticize AA? I don't think so. I think the word is often used out of context.

Those Nice People

There is no doubt that some really nice people can be found in AA. Many AA members believe that they have tapped into a resource beyond themselves, and that if they could only share it with others, this would bring purpose and meaning to their lives. Having been abused by this often predatory cult, it’s often difficult to separate the good from the bad. I do have a habit of looking at things from an all or nothing perspective, so I’ve been known to label all AA members as misfits from time to time, and that’s just not true.


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