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Systematic deconstruction...

Systematic deconstruction of your personality.
Those who feel excessive remorse are more likely to submit to superstitious beliefs.... In other words, if you feel guilty enough you'll believe anything. The goal of the 12 steps is to to make you feel guilty enough that you will be willing to believe that sky daddy loves you so much that he'll keep you sober from meeting to meeting... One day at a time. Hopefully for the rest of your life.

Imagine that! A life of AA meetings?!!!

Robert Downey Jr's son arrested for cocaine.

Statement from the actor...

Hi Folks!

Orange has given me a second chance.
I'd like to say I'm sorry for what happened on this forum a while back.
I hope that all of you can see it in your hearts to forgive me.
Looking forward to participating here in the future.


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Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement

Current Topics in the AA Critical Movement
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The topic will be current topics in the AA critical movement.
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Craigslist has community monitored forums for specific topics.
Community monitored means that the forums operate on a flagging system allowing for the tyranny of the majority... People with unpopular opinions get flagged off the boards. This allows AA members to dominate the forums and get rid of any opposing posters as they please.
I am posting here today to ask you to participate in an organized flagging campaign against AA members on that forum so that we can take over the forum and give them a bit of their own business.

Self Denial?

The perception of many AA members is that the drink problem stems from defects of character, and that only a radical spiritual experience can restore the former drinker to a state of harmony with themselves and the world around them.

A common theme among AA members is that the natural state of an alcoholic is drunk, while the desired state is to walk live in the grace of God, which is only granted to those who sufficiently surrender their lives and will over to the care of God.

The Definition of Insanity

The definition of insanity…

Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

If You've tried AA over and over again, and You're not getting the results you were promised, maybe it's time You tried something else.

Think about it.


Suggesting that other people should be suspicious of their health care providers is as irresponsible as the shit that goes on within AA. If you want to play doctor, perhaps you should do it somewhere else.

Friends of Bill W. on Facebook

I signed up for Friends of Bill W. on Facebook and offered my opinions about AA.

Here is a typical response...

I have been around these rooms for 20 years. Can't even begin to count the times I've heard that we are liars cheats and thieves. Your choice friend on what path you take. AA does not work for every one some die of this deal seen it happen with family and friend . I wish you well on the path you decide to take. We will be saving a seat for you when your ready .

Notice the assumption that I will fail without AA?

How AA's Preamble Should Read...

Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their misery, confusion and hopelessness with each other that they may forever live in their common problem and help others to become members of their religious cult. The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop thinking for yourself. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; AA is self supporting through member's own contributions.

The Abram Hoffer Protocol for Alcoholism

When I was in early sobriety I found a vitamin regiment called The Abram Hoffer Protocol for Alcoholism. Curiously enough, this was developed with the help of Bill Wilson and involved massive doses of vitamins. Anyway, I cut the doses some, and I actually believe it made me feel better. I did experience a niacin flush, which was a little bit uncomfortable, but overall I think the protocol gave me more energy. Any thoughts on this?

Restore Us to Sanity?

The implication being that we were insane in the first place.

AA actually perpetuates the idea that members are somehow insane, and will always be that way, with slogans like... "I need a checkup from the neck up."... "When I'm in my own head I'm in a bad neighborhood."... and "My best thinking got me here."

Personality Transplant

If you hate yourself, you will fit right in with AA.

If you don't hate yourself, AA will teach you to hate yourself and convince you that you need a personality transplant in order to solve your drinking problem.

If you are smart enough, you will see through the bullshit and leave before they can get their dirty mitts on your personality.

Unfortunately, I bought into their bullshit for years. It took a long time to deprogram from AA.


Where did the term "bashing" come from?
The first time I remember it being used was when a gay kid (I think his name Was Ryan) was tied to a fence and beaten to death. Then people started using the term "gay bashing" all of the time.

"Bashing" indicates that some form of persecution, or physical violence has taken place.

Is it really bashing to question, or criticize AA? I don't think so. I think the word is often used out of context.

Those Nice People

There is no doubt that some really nice people can be found in AA. Many AA members believe that they have tapped into a resource beyond themselves, and that if they could only share it with others, this would bring purpose and meaning to their lives. Having been abused by this often predatory cult, it’s often difficult to separate the good from the bad. I do have a habit of looking at things from an all or nothing perspective, so I’ve been known to label all AA members as misfits from time to time, and that’s just not true.


The idea came to me, well, we need a definite statement of concrete principles that these drunks can't wiggle out of. There can't be any wiggling out of this deal at all and this six-step program had two big gaps which people wiggled out of.
— Bill Wilson, Transcribed from tape, Fort Worth, 1954

Concern Troll

(Internet slang) Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals, typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely.

Never mind

There were a lot of people on earlier, but never mind

AA Death Threats

Like most religious cults, AA uses fear, intimidation, and death threats to keep it's flock in check.

"The truth is, that in the life of each AA member, there still lurks a tyrant. His name is alcohol. And his weapons are misery, insanity, and death. No matter how long we may be sober, he always stands at each man's elbow, ever watchful of an opportunity to resume his destruction."
~The Language of the Heart, page 34

I took this down

It wasn't helping anything.

Violence Against Women?

Okay... Let's say a woman is in her early twenties and she decides to go to AA.
Within the first month she meets a guy at the meetings and has sex with him.
If she was of legal age for consent why would this be considered violence against women?

Taken down at the request of massive

Taken down at the request of massive.


Shamelessly using Philip Seymore Hoffmans death to promote your own agenda?

Say it isn't so folks!

The guy is dead... I didn't know him, so I don't really care if he was stupid enough to kill himself, but shamelessly using his death to promote your own agenda is just stupid and wrong.

I Started building a new website for the homeless.

It's going to take a while, but I do think that I can develop a creative and helpful site that will really help some people in need.

Our mission is to help homeless people to identify available resources, set both long term and short term goals, and eventually find sustainable long term housing.

Quitting smoking... Again

Well, I've decided that I'm going to quit smoking once and for all.
Many of the morons on craigslist have assured me that I will fail.
It's reached a point where smoking just doesn't feel good anymore.
The VA sent me patches and nicotine gum, and I am using them.
Been trying to keep busy all day... using SMART Recovery ideas to get by.

Any tips, advice, or encouragement is appreciated.

Fuck off jimbattle.

Tips for Homeless People

ChefBoyardee, Progresso Soups, and Dinty Moore beef stew are all available with pop-top cans, so you don't need a can opener.

If you have any money you can probably rent a small storage unit for around $25.00 a month. This is a good place to store equipment and food.

You will need shelter... Scout the area you plan on squatting on for bridges, abandoned pipes, and perhaps a place to pitch a tent, if you have the money to buy one.

For those of you who are new...

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism. AA takes advantage of vulnerable people for the purpose of unsolicited religious indoctrination. AA didn't work for me, and the truth is... AA doesn't work for the majority of people who try it. According to AA's own statistical analysis, 81% of the people who try AA drop out within the first month, and by the end of a year 95% are gone. AA is a set of antiquated religious practices and has nothing to do with quitting drinking. AA is all about denying yourself and turning your will and your life over to God.

FFRF Stops mandatory treatment prayers (October 22, 2013)

Military veterans sent to substance abuse treatment by the Sacramento Veterans Administration in California will be offered an alternative to religious programs because of an FFRF letter of complaint.
FFRF was contacted by a veteran who said that in his program, he was forced to take part in prayers and meetings that emphasized God. Despite multiple talks with counselors about his beliefs, he was threatened with expulsion if he so much as stepped out of the room during prayers.

Facts are facts!

This is the graph from AA's own triennial surveys that measures the % of those coming to AA within the first year that have remained the indicated number of months.

As you can see, the graph begins at the end of the first month, where only 19% remain. That means that 81% have already dropped out before the end of the first month.

AA simply dismisses anyone who didn't make it a month as irrelevant.


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