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Book Club - AA: Cult or Cure

Monday, April 21, 2014


6:30 PM to 8:30 PM

Coffee Garden
2904 Franklin Blvd, Sacramento, CA (map)

We'll be discussing Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure? by Charles Bufe (nonfiction - culture).

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Mind Control 101

A description of AA as a cult.

This article tells in the first person how Alcoholics Anonymous has all the qualities of cult.
~ Dantalion Jones

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Why I Quit AA

A sober alcoholic’s journey back to individuality

12 stepping for the non-twelve stepper

I’m a huge fan of the 12-step program. I don’t care if you’re trying to overcome an addiction to food, drugs, porn or puppies.

I’ve read the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous and I know all 12-steps in theory if not actually in practice.

You see, I’m not recovering from anything but plain old life. I’m a “cradle Christian”. In religious vernacular that means I’ve been going to church for my whole life—pretty much cradle to now and most likely, cradle to grave.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Have you been 13th Stepped?

Have you been 13th Stepped?
I’m a producer for CBS NEWS. We’re working on a story that focuses on safety issues coming out of contacts made at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. If you feel you’ve been harassed or “13thStepped” by someone you met at an AA meeting, I’d like to talk with you. Also, if you discovered that person was “court-mandated” to attend AA, please contact me.

Please call me at (212) 975-5842, or email

I'm Breaking Up With the Word 'Addict' and I Hope You'll Do the Same

Meghan Ralston
Harm Reduction Manager, Drug Policy Alliance

Posted: 03/25/2014 1:06 pm EDT Updated: 03/25/2014 1:59 pm EDT

What's trending on Twitter this week?

William G. Wilson ,
Here's what's trending on Twitter this week. William G. Wilson

CH CONCEPTS @ChemicalHealth
Read summary or listen to today's NPR interview - Dr. Lance Dodes - AA works for only 10% and harms the other 90%…

23 Mar
With Sobering Science, Doctor Debunks 12-Step Recovery
The approach made popular by Alcoholics Anonymous doesn't work for most people, according to psychiatrist Lance Dodes. In fact, he says, the steps can actually be harmful to the majority of addicts.


Quicksand: The Darker Side of 12-Step Programs

The way 12-Step programs are presented is often not what people find after they become involved. You will be expected to surrender your will, your mind, and your life to "The Program."


The Pseudo Science of Alcoholics Anonymous: There's A Better Way To Treat Addiction

AA and rehab culture have shockingly low success rates, and made it impossible to have real debate about addiction

SUNDAY, MAR 23, 2014 01:30 PM CDT


You have an incurable lifelong disease (so says California)

Thankyou! 12 steppers are a miserable lot, as anyone believing they have an incurable, progressive disease would be. I have been abstinent for many years now, and the 12 step groups will no longer take the credit for this fact - their metod is severely flawed and does far more harm than good. Addiction is a word. We don't need a sentence.

Welcome to SMART Recovery®

An Intro to Smart Recovery by Curtis Boudreau at

SMART Recovery® - Who We Are

Extended-Release Naltrexone vs. Buprenorphine for Opioid Treatment

A service of the U.S. National Institutes of Health

This study is currently recruiting participants.

Verified February 2014 by New York University School of Medicine
Sponsor: New York University School of Medicine
Collaborators: National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
The EMMES Corporation
Information provided by (Responsible Party): John Rotrosen, New York University School of Medicine

Detailed Description:

Charles R. Jackson - Alcoholics Anonymous speech (1959). Jackson is the author of the book made in to the movie "The Lost Weekend"

The speech above was given to a local AA meeting in Cleveland, Ohio in 1959.

According to a letter Orange got, this guy Jackson eventually died of a drug overdose.

International Day of Happiness - 20 March

"Happiness may have different meanings for different people. But we can all agree that it means working to end conflict, poverty and other unfortunate conditions in which so many of our fellow human beings live."


The top five happiest nations in the world are:

Sunday Night is Music Night

Livin' On A Prayer

Addiction Treatment With a Dark Side

The comments on this article are quite interesting.


Addiction Treatment With a Dark Side

In Demand in Clinics and on the Street, ‘Bupe’ Can Be a Savior or a Menace

After two years of buprenorphine treatment, Shawn Schneider has rebounded from a self-destructive addiction to painkillers.Leslye Davis/The New York Times


NOVEMBER 16, 2013 ----------- 379 COMMENTS

Russell Brand: Philip Seymour Hoffman is another victim of extremely stupid drug laws

In Hoffman's domestic or sex life there is no undiscovered riddle – the man was a drug addict and, thanks to our drug laws, his death inevitable

Philip Seymour Hoffman's death was not on the bill.

Sunday Night is Music Night

A dedication to Orange for his extraordinary collection of Orange Papers

Marijuana may protect the immune system against HIV and slow disease progression

Marijuana may protect the immune system against HIV and slow disease progression

Friday 21 February 2014 - 12am PST

New evidence that chronic intake of THC, the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, can protect critical immune tissue in the gut from the damaging effects of HIV infection is reported in AIDS Research and Human Retroviruses, a peer-reviewed journal from Mary Ann Liebert, Inc., publishers. The article is available on the AIDS Research and Human Retroviruses website.

The Negative Results of the Disease Theory. Or, What Believing in the Powerless Concept Can do to You

Negative Results of the Disease Theory

The disease concept of alcoholism removes the responsibility of alcoholics for their own behaviors.14 Dr. Peele asserts that "Perhaps the most dire consequence of the disease model of addiction is that it has encouraged the abdication of individual responsibility for outrageous conduct" and he suggests that "Creating a world of addictive diseases may mean creating a world in which anything is excusable."15

alchemist1959, of CL ReFo fame, admits that the powerless concept is crap?

My good buddy from the Craigslist Recovery Forum, an ardent 12 stepper, had this to say:

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 20:02

Don't even blame the Drs.

He was shooting speedballs. That's 100% junkie. Any other spin is a bunch of BS. He was getting blitzed because he wanted to. Just like people stay straight for the same reason.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Addiction Recovery Care Centers

We accept most major private health insurance policies

12 Step Immersion - (financing available)

At Benchmark Recovery Center residents will experience a completely different and effective addiction recovery process. This is an overview of how the 12 Steps are worked during your 90-day residential stay:

First Month

2 billion Christians labeled bigots by 12killz_drunks. Wow!

The question posed was:

Approximately 2 billion people in this world identify themselves as Christian. Are they all bigots?

12killz_drunks answer:


Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). Wait, Wut?


David B, David C "Icons" and the Catholic Connection

To quote:

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): The Long Road to England

The NHS Endorses AA - After 80 Years

Posted: 20/02/2014 17:00

Public Health England recommends the use of self-help groups like AA.

A question for Orange

Do you condone somebody on the forum redirecting another person's posts to the Satan's Church website?

I am curious since you value free speech.

In my opinion, the only way for this forum to return to normalcy is for some people to be banned. For violating a person's free speech.

Of course, I could end up getting myself banned. LOL!

JR The Truth Whisperer

Is this the time stamp thingy I need?


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