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Fun on Derby Day

Today is the Kentucky Derby. This is the biggest day in Horse Racing. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/ I thought it would be fun if we played. There is a 20 horse field and it is very difficult to predict a winner. I suggest that we each pick 3 horses and depending on which position those horses finish, apply points and tally them. Least points win.......bragging rights? LOL. Example: If the (3) horses I chose placed 5th, 16th, and 9th - I'd have a total of 30 points. Here is the field: 1. Daddy Long Legs 2. Optimizer

Picture of Article. Bill G. Wilson

I'd like to post a picture from my computer. Can anyone advise my on how to do this?

Edited a few hours later, 5/4/12

I've finally gotten the picture up, and I'm glad I spent the time. It will come in handy in the future. Thanks everyone for your help!

Creep Alert ... Are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings safe?

Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Dustin Williams HAS to go to AA or NA meetings according to a judge in Atlanta, and according to AA/NA members and supportors, addicts HAVE to go to AA or NA meetings or they will die. Dustin Shawn Williams, 27, of Atlanta, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (community supervision modified); modification to include 90 days ISF, attend two Alcoholics/Narcotics Anonymous meetings weekly, retain a sponsor within 60 days, complete the Cass County Aftercare Program, and obtain employment.

Morningside Recovery accused of unlicensed treatment.

Morningside Recovery has been in the news a lot in the last year. A young man died under their care and it appears as if they have been running sober living homes without a license and have been forced to shut some down. Provided services that you aren't licensed for has been going around for a lot of years. Many people seem to think they are qualified to give advice on this practice, despite the need for a special license. I'm glad they are cracking down on checking these places out. There has been too much injustice in the recovery industry.

Propaganda Techniques used by AA - 1) Lie By Omission and Half-Truths. Parts B.

---This is a continuation of a topic I brought up the other day. Orange discussed the Chapter To Wives, giving examples of Bill W.'s Lying by Omission. --Below is more of Orange's examples of 'Lying by Omissions and Half-truths' propagating techniuques as they relate to Bill Wilson and AA. Orange is quoted with the bold text and quotes from the AA text are italicised. ---Thoughts and arguments?

“Oh, I get that craving. I’ve been there. This is how I recovered/abstained.”

C&E said yesterday about something that pisses her off. Well the topic of the blog that I am starting today is something that pisses ME off. Well actually it was the entire article/advertisement, one for a treatment facility and 12 step groups, that got me going. It is one of the more blatant ones I have seen actually. Most do not mention outright that their go-to recovery model is 12-step. There is usually an * at some point or an innuendo that makes it clear to those experienced with stepping that it is the model they use.

Pain while sleeping

Hi all, on a personal level I\'ve been having pain while I sleep. And I wonder if anyone, particular Suboxone users, have experienced something similar. Btw, I also take Cymbalta, Zoloft, and half of an Ambien at night.

Marty Mann, another AA socialite that broke the traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous, becoming a solicitor for the cult.

Marty Mann breaks personal anonymity and did so at the level of press. Instead of scorned for her obvious lack of humility and overt infringement of Step 11, she’s historically praised. ----11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.----

The Social Class of AA, NA. Should addicts be allowed in AA?

I thought I'd start a new page about this since it's a popular topic. It was hard to follow in the other bog, it getting so long. Clara thinks it's not a good idea. Alcoholics can learn from alcoholics and confusion occurs when addicts come to AA and discuss drugs. Many addicts that want to work the 12 steps aren't fond of NA for various reasons and have tried AA. Some have either felt or been told that they weren't welcome.

Limerick man jailed for pipe assault at Pottstown AA meeting

NORRISTOWN – A Limerick man has admitted to using a pipe as a deadly weapon to assault another man during an altercation at an Alcoholics’ Anonymous meeting at a Pottstown church. http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20120412/NEWS01/120419800/-1/SPORTS04/l...

Calaveras County NEEDS to reduce prison overcrowding. Guess how?

County plan to deal with ‘realigned’ convicts OK’d http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/County-plan-to-deal-with-re... "Calaveras County leaders Tuesday approved a plan for overseeing formerly prison-bound criminals now in county custody under the state’s prison “realignment plan.”

Stepping facility, The Ark of Little Cottonwood Treatment Center cited for exploiting clients

Read the article here: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19929490 Controversial drug treatment center was cited for exploiting clients Below are snipits. Emphasis' is mine. "New allegations have surfaced against The Ark of Little Cottonwood, an addiction treatment center in Sandy. State regulators put their license in jeopardy months ago, saying clients were exploited for personal gain and were embarrassed, humiliated and even frightened as part of their treatment."

“Why don’t you choose your own conception of God?"

Bill Wilson couldn't even get his own story straight. On page 12 of the Big Book he gave a descriptive account of an interaction he had with his friend: "My friend suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said, 'Why don't you choose your own conception of God?' That statement hit me hard. It melted the icy intellectual mountain in whose shadow I had lived and shivered many years. I stood in the sunlight at last." Can you smell the Bill-shit? Why didn't Bill tell the truth?

Differences between SMART and AA

1) SMART is based on a scientific foundation. The approaches will continue to be adjusted as new evidence emerges. 2) SMART meetings involve discussions. People are engaged in collaborative problem solving. 3) SMART promotes abstinence but doesn't condemn or turn away those seeking to moderate. 4) SMART promotes self-helping action tendencies instead of self-defeating action tendencies. 5) SMART doesn't consder that all addicts are alike. There is no one solution for everyone. 6) SMART emphasizes that each addict determine what is best for him or her. No one makes a choice for them.

"Once they walked in the door, they 'dropped to their knees and started praying,'."

Dr. Bob's Home continues on, despite conviction of former operations manager "Raymond Collins, 48, of Akron was sentenced to two years' probation in January after he pleaded guilty to a charge of grand theft in Summit County Common Pleas Court. Collins, who oversaw the nonprofit's books, took $52,872 from February 2009 through July 2011, Akron police said. He was ordered to make restitution.

Recent Sentencing to the 12 step Religion.

Cushing Teen Freed After Months in Custody http://www.1600kush.com/story.php?id=4959&section=1 "Eddie Mathew Wright, 19, had pleaded guilty to possessing a stolen truck, running three roadblocks, endangering the Yale police chief while running a stop sign, offering a bribe and driving on a revoked license.

Once an Addict, Always an addict. What do you think?

Interesting. I don't know how to load the picture of the pie chart but it consists of approximately a 70/30 split in aggreement that once people become addicted they remain an addict. Apparently for life. They surveyed 178 young people between the ages of 12-20. I'm particularly interested to know how they personally came to their conclusions. Were they "taught" to believe it? If so, where did they learn it from? Below are a few opinions of the surveyed and some statements I found qute amusing, lol:

Man allegedly sexually molested an underage girl DURING a Narcotics Anonymous meeting. This should never have happened!

http://daltondailycitizen.com/local/x1450999297/Man-charged-with-child-m... Man charged with child molestation has bond hearing Friday Mark Millican Dalton Daily Citizen March 29, 2012 DALTON — A Dalton man accused of sexually molesting an underage girl during a substance abusers support group meeting has a bond hearing scheduled for Friday in Whitfield County Superior Court.

Is AA a Religious Faith Healing Program?

Over one year ago I met several gals in an aftercare group that was affiliated with a 6 week treatment program we had formerly "graduated" from. The suggestion was to attend group therapy each week for a year, and I mainly attended because I had stopped going to any 12 step meetings and thought I needed support. Actually, it was helpful for me in the begining. Transitioning out of a daily structured routine and back into a life where I was personally managing every minute of my time was difficult. At least in comparison to what I had most recently been used to.

Unrelated to AA but interesting regardless: Man's Defense for Raping Sleeping Woman: "Sexsomnia"

Is this an illness or a disease? Man's Defense for Raping Sleeping Woman: "Sexsomnia" A 27-year-old man charged with raping a sleeping woman says he is not guilty of a crime. He claims he, too, was asleep during the act. The alleged rape occurred last summer in a cabin in Vilhelmina in northern Sweden after a night of heavy drinking. “I was awakened by her pushing me away and asking, 'Are you awake?'," the man said during questioning, according to the Aftonbladet news. He stated this wasn't the first time he had awakened to find he'd had sex without knowing it.

Another Celebrity Rehab Victim:

"Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino has fallen into the elite celebrity "rehab hoppers" such as Lindsay Lohan, Demi Moore, Mark Kate Olsen who have all attended Cirque Lodge according to US Weekly. Sorrentino checked into Cirque Lodge for alleged prescription pill abuse. Unfortunately for "The Situation" most publicized drug and alcohol rehab stays don't actually achieve results, except maybe a few cover photos on a sleazy tabloid magazine. Experts from Saint Jude Retreats, a non-12 step program weigh in on The Situation's chances of getting clean in traditional rehab. "

Sterility payment for addicted

---This made my stomach churn. Paying addict/alcoholics to get steralized. --Ugg. Those afflicted with an addiction are often times in need of some quick cash and not thinking clearly as well. I imagine that desperate addicts that go through with this type of procedure could later become deeply regretful. Isn't there a some kind of law preventing taking advantage of the sick? Is it really about saving tax dollars and avoiding birth defects or is it about population control?

Advice for the Wives.

Advice for the wives, quoted from the chapter: To The Wives, found in the Alcoholics Anonymous Text/Big Book. It's a wonder how this still gets printed as an inspirational self-help book for anyone with the excessive chauvinistic "suggestions" that it contains. I'm amazed that any woman can read this chapter and consider it has having any value other then good fuel for a bomb fire. Furthermore, how can any editor read this and consider it appropriate as an instructional piece? “Don't condemn your alcoholic husband no matter what he says or does”

Man dies after befriending another at a Narcotics Anonymous Meeting.

Man jailed after drug injection causes death Death was the best outcome for a drug addict whose friend killed him by injecting him with morphine, the man's brother told a court on Friday. In February, Brendon Lawson, 41, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his friend - a fellow drug addict he had met through Narcotics Anonymous. On Friday, Lawson was sentenced to two years and seven months' imprisonment in the High Court at Auckland by Justice Peter Woodhouse.

Everyone... Massive is not Sally.

I am Sally. There are some bloggers here that are accusing Massive of posting under two names. I want to make it clear that that is not true. Avo = Sally and Massive = Massive. FYI - if you care: The OPF is was the first site I had ever blogged @ (approx a year ago), and I thought I was only going to post once or twice and move on. I didn't give a lot of thought to a name because I wasn't intending on sticking around long. It's one that just popped into my mind at the time.

You must go to Alcoholics Anonymous AND get a sponsor.

What does everyone think about getting sentenced to getting a sponsor? What about the sponsors that may not want to get involved with a drug dealer for cryin out loud! Oh, that's what I think..Others? "As part of his probation, he was ordered not to violate any laws, to abstain from using drugs and alcohol, to pay fines and costs, to attend at least two Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous meetings a week and get a sponsor, and to begin a moral recognition therapy program through the probation office.

What is a religion?

I'm not looking for the standard definition and I'm not asking if you believe in God or even what your HP is, although feel free to share if you are inclined to. I'm interested to know what religion means to you, as an individual. To me, it is a foundation of pracitces in which people participate with the intention of bringing themselves closer to God.

New book: American Indian uses peyote and 12 steps to cure addiction.

The Thirteenth Step: One Man’s Odyssey of Recovery http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/03/18/the-13th-step-peyot... According to Robert Hayward alcoholism is a spiritual problem and indeed, only has a spiritual solution. You must have a higher power. Must. How did alcoholics that didn't turn their will over to a HP got sober?


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