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Man pulled gun at church AA meeting, charged with assault

Author: 69 News, news@wfmz.com
POTTSTOWN, Pa. -
A man was arrested Wednesday after police said he pulled a gun at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

Robert Ortgiesen was taken into custody at his home on Annette Dr. in Limerick Twp., Montgomery Co., and charged with assault, police said.

A man told police Ortgiesen, 47, pulled the gun after an argument outside St. John's Church on Church St. in Pottstown, according to court documents. He said Ortgiesen then followed him inside the church.

Could LSD be revived as alcoholism treatment?

Could LSD be revived as alcoholism treatment?

LSD, the 1960s-era psychedelic drug that fuelled the early years of North American counterculture and hippies, is being recommended for further study as a treatment for severe alcohol abuse.

Researchers in Norway have completed a "meta-analysis" — a study of six other studies done between 1966 and 1970 — and concluded that "a single dose of LSD, in the context of various alcoholism treatment programs, is associated with a decrease in alcohol misuse."

The word is spreading. "Non 12 step treatment is often the best option for patients struggling with chemical dependency"

"Pioneer of non 12 step recovery model Dr. Akikiur Mohammad encourages public to research treatment options thoroughly."

"[Dr. Akikur Mohammad] announced today that the overwhelming surge in popularity of Inspire Malibu is due to his team's focus on treating the disease of addiction with evidence-based protocol, a pure respect for the science of addiction and a truly individualized, holistic approach to addressing the critical therapeutic needs of their clients."

Good news about speaking @ Hospitals and Institutions

I have good news.

Since the only requirement alcoholics anonymous is a desire to stop drinking (and the only requirement for narcotics anonymous is a desire to stop using drugs), I've decided to do H&I service work and speak at these institutions to share my experience strength and hope as a recovering person with substantial clean time.

My first speak will be next Thursday evening :=)

Twelve Ways to Tell the Difference Between Your Sponsor and Your Therapist.

I just sent this to my personal counselor and thought I'd share it here. I am copy/pasting it from the Orange Papers. Am I correct, this is a newsletter from AA in Illinois?

"Along the same lines, the Northern Illinois Area Service Newsletter gave us this sneering piece of anti-intellectual propaganda that tells us that an ordinary A.A. sponsor is much better than a professional therapist:"

Twelve Ways to Tell the Difference Between Your Sponsor and Your Therapist.

1. Your sponsor isn't all that interested in the "reasons" you drank.

Treatment Center Offers Non 12-Step Treatment Programs for Alcohol and Drug Addiction

I LOVE this article (Ad)! Especially the first few sentences. It appears as if more people are FINALLY starting to notice that 12 Step is NOT the only or best way to treat addictions.

"Prominence Treatment Center is now offering personalized and unique treatments for those that would like to steer clear of catch-all therapy programs."

New pill which makes alcoholics want to drink less.

I find all aspects to recover from addiction interesting, and regardless of how good or bad medications to treat addiction turn out to be, I am happy to see that there are scientific approaches to treated this illness taking place. I am NOT advocating any medications by posting this article.

"Scientists have for the first time developed a pill that makes alcoholics want to drink less, bringing fresh hope to those who struggle with addiction.

Man charged with killing AA mentor

HE WAS a former alcoholic who had turned his life around to become a full-time volunteer, bike builder and environmentalist.

But John Foss, a ''brilliantly funny, crazy bon vivant'' who moved from Sydney to the mid-north coast six years ago, allegedly still fell victim to the tragic effects of the addiction on people.

A member of Alcoholics Anonymous driving a white van allegedly mowed down Mr Foss, an AA volunteer, as he rode his motorised bicycle along Coolamon Scenic Drive in Mullumbimby on Tuesday.

For those that remember Bob Ryder, AA and alleged murderer....

For those that remember Bob Ryder (the AA that allegedly murdered a female (possible) prostitute) last fall, you may be interested to know that his trial starts this coming May.

Norman B. Smith won't be considered for a liver transplant unless he attends AA.

Man Denied Liver Transplant for Using Prescribed Marijuana: “Probably Too Late for Me”
Friday, March 02, 2012

Norman Smith (photo: Americans for Safe Access)

Norman B. Smith, the 63-year-old cancer patient at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles who was denied a liver transplant because he used medical marijuana, says in a new interview that it’s probably too late for him to make a recovery even if he could get the surgery he needs.

Woman arrested for harassment at Kent AA meeting

By STEVE HUNTER
Kent Reporter Courts, government reporter
January 26, 2012 · 12:21 PM

Kent Police arrested a woman for investigation of harassment after she reportedly interrupted an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting Jan. 17 in the 300 block of Third Avenue South.

An officer heard a female yelling from just south of the Kent Police Station and went with another officer to investigate, according to the police report.

The Twelve Biggest Secrets of Alcoholics Anonymous

I thought I'd start discussions on this "chapter" of the Orange Papers. Since we've been disussing different aspects of this recently I won't go in order that Orange has them listed.

"A.A. flat-out lies when it says it is a program of rigorous honesty; it is just the opposite — a program of rigorous dishonesty":

http://orange-papers.org/orange-secrets.html

Lord's Prayer

I don't want to appear as if I was am not supportive of other views concerning religion or God(s) or a higher power. Deep down, I don't think it matters unless someone is being hurt as a direct result of your belief. That was how I was brought up and that is what I still think today.

Tatum [O'Neal] is refusing to embrace the 12 step AA model to get sober.

Tatum O' Neal 'voluntarily returns to rehab after cocaine relapse'

"Tatum allegedly made the decision to voluntarily check into rehab after having a relapse about a month ago when she began using cocaine again,' a source told Radaronline.

However, Tatum is at a rehab facility that doesn't follow the 12 step AA model, which doesn't bode well for her success, according to the source.

Clear your conscience and move forward

Here is an interesting story about a young man (David H. McCarthy, 27) of Naperville, IL who after working his 9th step, was arrested for the 2008 hit and run death of a young women (Melissa Lech, 20).

The Difference Between Ice Cream and Crack

Your Brain Doesn’t Know the Difference Between Ice Cream and Crack

We all joke about being addicted to dessert or salt or various other vices, but in the case of ice cream, one new study has shown that it actually does share some characteristics with drugs. It sets off the pleasure centers of our brain in the same way, but it's also now clear that when you eat a lot of ice cream, you become desensitized to its pleasures—just like you do with drugs, or so I have heard.

Karen Lee Burger is still missing.

Karen Lee Burger went missing last July in Florida. As it turns out, her Father reported that his last during hi contact with her she told him she was going to get together with a man that she met at an AA meeting.

I just want to remind anyone that cares that she is still missing and that it has also been reported that her daughter, SIL, and grandson are missing as well.

Comment remvoed as I said I would do.

Comment remvoed as I said I would do.

Alcoholism is not a Disease

Here is a rather long article on the disease theory but it's a good read:

Submitted by Baldwin Research Institute Fri 01/27/2006. Addiction Info.

"In 1976, the writer Ivan Illich warned in a book, Limits to Medicine, that 'the medical establishment has become a major threat to health'. At the time, he was dismissed as a maverick, but a quarter of a century later, even the medical establishment is prepared to admit that he may well be right. (Anthony Browne, April 14, 2002, the Observer)"

Contrasts between the Salvation Army and AA

AA and the Salvation Army have had strong ties since the early days of AA’s founding. The SA is known for its strong Christian roots and began in the later 1800’s by an evangelical minister named William Booth. Booth’s first Christian converts were thieves, prostitutes, and drunks. He promised them salvation through Christ and gave hope to those in the most need.

I have an idea...

In each place that the word God is printed in the big book, let's insert the word "Allah" instead.

Also, a more minor chage for meetings. Instead of closing with the Lord's Prayer (Catholic version), close with a Salat (traditional prayer of the muslim faith).

How many would join this group and claim it is spiritual and not religious?

Why I haven't been around

Besides some initial physical illness, I found that the more I blogged and read, researched, and wrote letters, the more depressed I came. I decided to take an extended break. Occasionally I do check back in and read a bit but I start to get angry again nearly right away. It is definitely a struggle because I think that if former members don't fight for what we think is important, things in the so called "recovery world" won't change. Being new at sobriety is a difficult time anyway. Adding the weight of a fight has stopped helping me and has caused me more frustration.

Hey gang and happy holidays, happy new year!

Hope you're all well and I also want to wish all of you a happy and very safe holiday. I hope to catch up, if it's possible. ~Avo

First large-scale study to address treatment of prescription opioid addiction

I think it was here on OPF but recently someone posted a desire to be involved in a study about opiod dependence.

I just came across this article this morning, and they have studied prescription pain killer addicts. Participants were treated for free with Buprenorphine and counseling.

This study is already complete but according to the article they indicate the need to do more. If you want to be a part of a long term study (free treatment perhaps), I'd contact them:

13 Stepping

grampahaas recently posted about witnessing a young woman getting taken advantage of AA. In response to that I want to share an "article" I just wrote on the same topic:

(much of the formatting was removed in the copy/past transfer)

The 13th Step and Related Crime in Alcoholics Anonymous

If you’re addicted to religion, God, or even AA....

Episcopalian Priest, Father Leo Booth might have an answer for you. He is a a recovered alcoholic, co-dependent, religious addict and spiritual abuser, and author of: When God Becomes a Drug.

Some Symptoms of Religious Addiction:

ST Blog Closed

For those that are wondering about the blog Stinkin Thinkin, here is link that might answer your questions.

http://goodbye.stinkin-thinkin.com/#comment-26

I regularly posted there and will miss it.

Best to all,
avogadno (Sally)

OXFORD GROUP MOVEMENT SENSATION

AMAZING Evangelism; IT’S RISE

Coming To Vancouver

The Vancouver Sun – November 19th, 1932
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aC5lAAAAIBAJ&sjid=z4gNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1...

“The Oxford Group party is coming to Vancouver in January.

SMART Recovery

SWFAS introduces 'Smart Recovery' self-help program

October 4, 2011 – Naplesnews.com

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/oct/04/swfas-introduces-smart-recove...

“A new self-help recovery program that is the first of its kind in Southwest Florida is being introduced by Southwest Florida Addiction Services (SWFAS) for individuals with addictive disorders of all types.

Doctor Hits Oxford Group. -The Vancoucer Sun - Dec. 29th, 1932

This is an old article criticizing the Oxford Group.

I couldn’t find reference to this article in the Orange Papers and thought I would share it here.

I thought it very interesting that an M.D. in the 1930’s wrote about the principles of the Oxford Group as being negative. With the similarities that those principles have with AA principles, I wonder AGAIN why there are so many professionals that agree with this kind of therapy (AA) now.

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