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More AA Propaganda: Check it out but beware, Stepper spouting and slogans galore. Bring a barf bag..

I briefly read through the text on this website which is promoting and seeking monetary support for a new film in the making.

It is clearly an advertisement for AA and 12 Step Recovery (religious dogma) which is also against the traditions of AA (that are broken regularly).

Hazelden is providing materials to package along with this film will be made available to public schools, Universities, Community Colleges, Prisons and Military Installations.

The intent of this film is to INFORM

AA group breaks traditions and get filmed.

Alcoholics Anonymous Tradition 6:

"An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise."

Uhhhh...But isn't this against AA Tradition?

March 16, 1965
A motion picture crew breaks during the filming of an Alcoholics Anonymous group for a government-sponsored film series on alcohol rehabilitation.

And this?

Charles Manson is the son of early Alcoholics Anonymous Member

Born in November, 1934 to Kathleen Maddox in Cincinnati Ohio, General Hospital. His real father is thought to have been Colonel Walter Scott, however Kathleen married William Manson.

Kathleen (imprisoned in 1939) was an alcoholic who attended AA meetings in the early 1940’s. Even though she attended many meetings and met another husband (she had several) Lewis ?, at a Ohio meeting. Kathleen was able to maintain periodic sobriety but Lewis did not. Neither were long time members.

I wonder if young Charlie (8-12 years old) attend meetings with his parents?

1952 News: Bill Wilson brings amazing spiritual experience.

Buffalo Courier Express, May 31, 1952

Norman Vincent Peale tells the story about Bill Wilson's "strange power" to cure alcoholism.

"That man in Brooklyn was un-
known then; he is famous now as
'Bill,' the founder of Alcoholics
Anonymous. He talked to my friend
from the waterfront about his theory
that people who had been through
the same problem could help each
other.

And then Bill said, "but, most
important, you have got to put your
trust in a Higher Power."

"Fake it till you make it" and "Act as if"

"Act As If"

Easter Sunday, B.C.

A viral "news story" published on DailyCurrant.com claims that former Alaska governor and Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin proclaimed during a recent TV interview that "We need to return Easter back to the way it was when Jesus was alive."

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-e...

Sarah Palin claimed today that Jesus Christ celebrated Easter during his time on Earth.

Interesting article about "SBNR", Spiritual but not religious.

Below I've pasted the beginning of the article. One thing I've noticed is that they seem to try and trick people with the numbers (first paragraph), to make it appear that there are more supposedly "spiritual but not religious" people than there really is. Perhaps a better math person can point out the specifics.

Heroin Addict Sentenced Differently....Not AA

An Ohio judge that sentenced a 30 year old woman to receive a shot of Vivitrol each month instead of jail time. Vivitrol is an opiate-blocking medication that reduces cravings and causes precipitated withdraw if an opiate is used. Any thoughts about this? Certainly better than 12 Step groups or a 12 Step Rehab but it is forcing a medication on a person. I haven't seen many news articles about this kind of sentencing but I'm thinking that research into this would be interesting.

Road Less Traveled author Peck, AA thoughts

Not too long ago a post of mine mentioned Peck and a few members here who had been a "fan" of his were discouraged by his AA interests. I just came across an interview Peck had with Playboy Magazine, 1991. The q&a was about Alcoholics Anonymous. Here are the few relative paragraphs: " Playboy: You've said that the success of "The Road Less Traveled" is connected to the proliferation of groups such as A.A. Why are A.A. and its offshoots so popular?

Narcotics Anonymous

Hi Everyone, After coming across a random discussion about geographic changes being bad for "recovery", I recalled that this reference was from NA. "Some uf us sought spiritual guidance through churches, different religions, meditation and cultism. Some of us sought cure by geographical change, blaming our surroundings and living situations for our problem. This attempt just gave us new people to take advantage of" ~NA Basic Text

Justice Allows Prayer at Government Meetings

Just today the Supreme Court gave limited approval for prayer to be conducted in New York town board meetings. Very odd and I'm surprised by this ruling. Supreme Court? Prayer is OK? What's going on in this country.... "(CNN) -- The Supreme Court gave limited approval on Monday to public prayers at a New York town's board meetings, citing the country's history of religious acknowledgment in the legislature.

The profit behind 12-step treatment

May 3rd, 2014 Bain Capital's grip on addiction--The profit behind 12-step treatment by Jamie Wendland This article is 3 pages long and I've only posted the first page here. Use the link for the rest. http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Bain-Capital-s-grip-on-add-by-Jamie-W...

AA Keeping Safe

An anonymous member in Washington explains how the group tries to keep members safe from predators. Specifically a 13 year old girl.

Did they notify AA? Yes
Did the GSO or AAWS intervene? No.
The group was told to handle it at their discretion. So.....
Did anyone from the group call the police? No!

As we all know there aren't any safety procedures set or guidelines to follow. If other members don't see or aren't watchful, or if there isn't an alert “old-timer" member that cares enough to step in, the predators continue to victimize.

Alcoholics Anonymous' Online Store

https://b2c.aaws.org/default.aspx Alcoholics Anonymous' Online Store Although I only go to the aa.org occasionally to track down a quote or something, I thought I new what they were up to at least mainstream. I didn't know they had an online store/website.

AAWS Highlights

Interesting read that made me raise my eyebrows. http://www.msca09aa.org/documents/Reports/2013-03-15%20AAWS%20Highlights... AAWS met with Gil Kerlikowske, Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy (the “Drug Czar”). Mr. Kerlikowske sat in on AA's Board Meeting in March, 2013. The visit "offered an opportunity for exchanging information and exploring ways to cooperate. ...Director

The Anonymous People

Documentary on the "disease" and "recovery" movement. Has anyone seen this? Can it be found online anywhere? Here is a link to the Trailer https://gathr.us/films/the-anonymous-people

RIP my friend passed 3 years ago.

I wasn't thinking about posting it but somehow I want to now.

Grand Opening Invitation - SoberLifeStyle

http://www.soberlifestyle.org/ I got an email from this place (appears out of the blue) and wonder if anyone knows about this "program". "We are pleased to announce the Grand Opening of: www.soberlifestyle.org, the ultimate website for all your recovery needs! Take this unique opportunity to become a proud member of a nationwide network designed and engineered to generate more clientele, to be different, useful, effective.

Heroin mix takes more than 80 lives in recent weeks

POINT PLEASANT, N.J. -- On an icy night last month, a man entered a grocery store here, walked past the displays of cake mix and paper towels, and went into the bathroom, where he injected himself with heroin. Hours later, the man was found dead in the bathroom with a needle still in his arm, authorities said. They believe the man was one of more than 80 people across the country who have died in recent weeks after injecting heroin laced with fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opiate.

Help please from anyone knowledgeable about Suboxone

Hey Ya'all. I've been on Suboxone a while now and have had support from some very kind people regarding it. I've also learned a lot, some from trial and error as well as research. I have a specific question that I cannot determine from any med site. *I do not want to do this by trial and error atm, lol. If I jump off from 6mg to none, is it a definite that I will go into wd?

I'd like to propose a peace treaty

I'd like to propose a peace treaty in an attempt to have civil discussions and allow for new people to join the board without discomfort. This is getting everyone involved nowhere, except further angry. For those not involved, this is just pitiful and tiresome. Understandably.

AA is for Morons

"Don’t let what your dad says about your jaundiced, estranged uncle Charlie fool you: AA is for morons. According to your family, the AA program saved Uncle Charlie’s life. It did! Then it turned him into God-fearing, powerless retard who sits in a church basement and spews unscientific bullshit like “Everything happens for a reason”; “I believe the Big Book was inspired by God”; and my favorite: “My disease has been doing pushups.”

Important!!! Read what I say and listen very carefully.

"Don't trust anyone else on this forum because they are bigots. However I do like it here, even though no other forum members comment positively to my posts. In fact, all other OPF members are intolerant and hateful. They are wrong and I am right. Now that most of them are ignoring me I'm more desperate than ever before for some attention. This is why I keep trying to initiate an argument with them by pushing into discussions that aren't about me." ~Paraphrase of the one and lonely. .................

I'll debate :-)

As long as it's respectful or just fun. We may need a goalie though. Anyone ?

A very Happy Holiday to all of you!

I'll be away the next few days but want to extend my wishes to all of you for a healthy, happy, peaceful, and loving Christmas. Thanks to all of you for just being here and giving me a chance to learn, find support and offer support as well. For the most part it's fun, and a pleasant place to have a voice.

Abuse and Neglect in USA Residential Treatment Centers

Medical Whistleblower http://medicalwhistleblowernetwork.jigsy.com/ They also have a radio show: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/medicalwhistleblower Founder, Dr. Janet L. Parker, DVM, also wrote 327 pages about Abuse and Neglect in USA Residential Treatment Centers

"I prayed for a parking space"

Nurse Jackie, played be Edie Falco (nurse and former drug addict), goes to a meeting. Watching it live I was cracking up.. I don't know how to post clips of videos. Sorry. Just forward video to about 25 seconds if you want to watch the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubni6tM6NcU

Good People

(Almost forgot to address this* oops)

Jim,


You may not have said that exactly, but you want to condemn others of faith as evildoers if they don’t “listen” and “see” as you do.

A Christian’s faith is between the individual and Jesus; you don't enter into the equation and neither does Orange. Orange knows this. Do you?

Anti Christian

This forum has gotten to anti Christian/religion for me. Except for former member JIF, thankfully now in the distant past, it was never too bad in here. Expressing a distaste for religion has occurred regularly before, even Christianity, but it was mostly applicable to Steppism. I understood that to be normal and acceptable here and wasn't slighted by it. Lately I have been though. I personally blame JB for that because of his recent displays of "true" Christian Evangelizing. Although not occurring too often, he even ignored the polite requests to cool down.

Orange

Anyone can change any poll. The comments cannot be changed as far as I know. Give it a whirl everyone. Click on the poll and click edit. It should work. I think the setting in the program concerning polls needs to be changed.

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