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Subculture, Vocabulary, and "Control"

The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
-Philip K. Dick

It doesn't matter whether a subculture is a 12-Step program, a pseudo-religion, or virtually anything else- the quote above is accurate.
The only difference is intent- some of these so-called subcultures intentionally misuse words/terms specifically for that purpose.

"We Who RESPECT ORANGE"

I've read viscious letters to Orange.Always he responds POLITELY with quotes from the bible and from Greek,ancient Roman litt which I have superficial knowledge of.Compare that with INSANE HATRED used on OPF yet claiming,Yes ,we RESPECT ORANGE, Imitation is sincerest from of flattery.try responding as Orange does with KINDNESS and some LOVE.or get off of how much you respect orange.He never attacks, even with most viscious lettres.Always shows his qualities,kindness and self-control.Facts not sucking up.he sets an EXAMPLE !

Welcome to the Horay for Jesus Orange Papers Forum of Jim Battle. Just remember that if you say anything about not liking it, the rabid followers will call you a Lynch Mob. NOW I'M PRACTICING FREE SPEECH!

Because of free speech I can voice my opinion on the Frank Buchman Oxford Group clone that is trying to take over the Orange Papers Forum, especially the ones that are running around piddling all over every thread claiming that if people disagree with turning this forum into a clone of the group that started AA they belong to a "Lynch Mob" in a very derogatory manner.

World Conference On Moral Rearmament (1950) - You don't need a church if you can use the OPF as a podium.

It has helped me it may help you.

I drank and smoked (cigarettes) for over thirty years and was in horrible shape physically. About a year ago my wife told me she was interested in joining a gym and asked if I would consider going with her. I agreed to give it a try, it was very difficult in the the beginning but the more I went the better I started to feel not only physically but mentally also. I have not only found something that is a benefit it is also something that I now really enjoy doing.

Man injured during robbery attempt after Alcoholics Anonymous meeting

A man coming out of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in Arlington was shot in the abdomen during an attempted robbery Monday night, police say.

Four men were standing outside a business in the 600 block of Woodcrest Lane after their AA meeting, when an armed man approached them and demanded money, police said.

During the robbery, the robber shot one of the men and fled on foot. It is unclear whether he took any items or money.

The victim was taken to a hospital with injuries not believed to be life-threatening.

the orange papers remains a haven for freedom of speech principles

the orange papers is very unique and has held tight to freedom of speech principles that i see being lost all around us one small piece at a time by bending to cries for censorship to appease special group agendas. that actually turn them into the mirror image of aa's censorship. If you are deceptive and duplicitous - people will reject what ever you say - no matter how polite and rule abiding you act. people learn to be empowered when they see that happen in an open critical discussion.

Appeal to Orange.............. AGAIN

Mate, I don't believe I've ever asked you to ban anyone & I'm not sure I'm asking now, however the forum with no moderation does not achieve it's aims. Somebody made a suggestion about limiting posts or posts/thread but didn't know if this facility is advailable on drupal, maybe there might be another solution, maybe open recovery forums just don't work period.

Battle's God program in full force over at the FIX as well.

My original Reply to the article (Two Bipolar Chicks)

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 9)

In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange points out that AA teaches if your personal version of "God" or "Higher Power" doesn't deliver miracles on demand, then certain things won't happen for you.

To help show just how much AA's teaching differ from the teachings of the Bible I'm going to address each of these things one by one starting with...

@everybody

Top Ten reasons JB&JR hate AA

^Read top to bottom or you surely sign your own death warrant.

10. no Old guys on clouds with white beards.
9. aa changes wine to whine
8. Belief in false slogans
7, JB's boyhood nemesis "The Cool ex-High Guy" goes to AA.
6. Holding Hands requires a chaperone.
5. JB always wanted a Ouija board as a kid. Not allowed!
4. Jealous AAers get to use God too.
3. Heard non Bible stories at meetings.
2. AA means less bingo bucks for jesus.
1. not enough god bell. yeah yeah i think we need more god bell yeah.

Preachers Dog

I couldn't handle the house (life) without Annie, every time I moved I looked to see where my girl was, I'd wake at night thinking of her & I miss her, miss her terrible & more loss depression is not what I need, sooo I started looking for 'nother dog, & came across a Jack Russell breeder & ended up with a male pup 11weeks old.

I think you are missing a point...

I haven't followed the Jim/Jerry saga from the beginning, but there's something I've been noticing.
Frankly, I don't believe J/J's concern is religion/God/etc. at all. I believe his purpose is to sow as much discord and chaos as possible.

Specifically, I've noticed a pattern. While it's all over the OPF, one example is the "Stepper cult joke" JRHarris posted yesterday and Jim/jerry's first reply. The more frazzled our regular members get, the calmer J/J gets.

PEACEful places/GHOST TOWNS /everyone's DEAD

Just used up couple hours watching Ghost towns gallery---Funny no wars.no infighting peaceful cause eveyone's DEAD. No dance hall fights over the girls.guy wanting waltz music vs square dancing.guy shot the waltz guy.got hanged and now all everyone there that day is now DEAD.Places where Baptists and John Wesly Methodists and Evil-angel-yuchh-alls quietly together .no ariges no you're goin to Hell and I'm not cause there all side by side in CEMETERIES /DEAD AND PEACEFUL.

Stepper Cult Joke- When the Orange Papers Forum gets taken over by people that want "God" to be the answer to addictions, which is what AA is all about. Now that is hilarious.

Hats off to the assholes that made it this way. You are good little secret steppers and an especially loud round of applause to the sock puppets of http://nadaytona.org who helped to make this happen because instead of looking at the big picture, they wanted to shame churches and didn't care if the person wanting to do it was bashing every other free alternative they were pushing for one involving the God of his choosing.

Stepper cult Joke

The OPF 'Group Think Lynch Mob' is a true representation of the Anti Stepper Cult Movement? Now that IS a joke LOL

Stepper Cult Joke

When is a Stepper practicing 'humility?' When they are not 'more' spiritual than us lesser beings

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 8)

Speaking of Bill Wilson's "for-everybody religion", in the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange says that...

"Something that tries to be everything to everybody ends up being nothing to anybody... And that is the error that the Catholic Church calls "syncretism" — uniting conflicting religious beliefs so as to reduce them to a common denominator that is acceptable to all."

WARNING: Serial Internet Pest & Forum Troll Jerry/Jim Battle

Is plaguing this forum again, banned once under his original moniker & prehaps real name Jim Battle has re-emerged as Jerry. Jerry/Jim has been banned, blacklisted & ignored on countless websites for his polite bad behaviour. He has bagged Orange & members of this forum on other websites. One of Jim/Jerrys techniques is to flood forums with spam. Members of this forum have been bitten by viruses concealed within his links. Jim/Jerry masqurades as a street preacher for which he has no qualifications.

12 Steps to Dealing with Narcissists - Emotional Self Protection and Boundary Setting (Very interesting)

1. Identify and admit
2. test : do you feel like crap when you speak to them
3. clarify YOUR PRESENT MOMENT EMOTION
4. clarfiy the boundary between your problems and their problems
5. clarify the boundary that you DONT let people do this to you
6. be aware they have an agenda (and it never ends)
7. physically withdraw -- create distance
8. psychologically withdraw
9. you cant HELP or FIX, by reason

@Rolf

Halloween Amends

Happy for Orange, but dissapointed and sad

I'm very happy for you Orange that you just celebrated a milestone.

But I have to say I'm a tad disappointed that you've let the very sincere, noble and authentic desire to keep "Freedom of Speech" alive to the point that it's rendered your forum as virtually ineffective for it's intended purpose.

Still alive, in spite of everything.

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:16:47 -0500 (10/17/2014 08:16:47 PM)     (answered 21 October 2014)

From: Starmom

To: Orange <orange@orange-papers.org>

Subject:

Hi,

This email address didn't work the last time, but will try again.

If you receive this, can you pop over to the forum and let us know you're o.k.?
Some of us have been worried about your long absence...

Starmom

Hello Starmom,

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 7)

In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange says that...

"Bill Wilson's goal was ostensibly to be ecumenical, universal and all-embracing, to avoid religious conflict, but his solution to the problem was hardly sound theology."

In other words, Bill wanted AA to influence, apply to, and include all alcoholics no matter what they believe about God. But was this because he simply wanted to help as many drunks as possible? No.

love me some antidepressants

And anyone that gets in my way just watch out.

That is my reality and why I am REALLY here. Anyone else like to share their truth and stop hiding behind the anti-aa agenda?

Getting honest one day at a time…one hour at a time!

A.A., Christians, and WIIFM

It should not be surprising that individuals who have no desire to clean up their acts and turn their lives around use any means at their disposal to continue their "lie, cheat, and steal" lifestyles. And religion is not an exception.

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