Closed AA Meetings are closed. Open AA meetings are open. It's really very, very, simple.


I don't know why Gunthar suddenly flipped out and did a kamikaze posting. He simply used some HTML meta-tags to redirect the page to the A.A. home page. That is deleted. And he is gone. So it goes.

What is the difference between a "Closed" and "Open" meeting in Alcoholics Anonymous: P-16 The A.A. Group

There really is no difference between an "Open" and "Closed" AA meeting.
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Open AA meetings are indoctrination sessions for AA Prospects (i.e. Pigeons per Dr.Bob)
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Closed AA meetings are for oldtimer AA members to plan raiding parties for new prospects.
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Open AA meetings are used to gang stalk new prospects for AA members
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Closed AA meetings are just another way for AA members to say "what is said in AA, stays in AA."
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Open AA meetings are used as a promotion effort of AA against Traditions and Steps
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All of the above describe "Closed" and "Open" AA meetings
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Other - please describe what you think the difference between a "Closed" and "Open" AA meeting is in the comment section.
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Kicking Heroin with Ibogaine...

we are both powerless and not powerless? where'd ya get this button?

in a way we are both powerless and not powerless at the same time in different ways

get with the team
sir - i use will power not to get cancer when friends did - sir
get w a program
sir - i was powerless not to like alcohol - others were powerless to be susceptible - sir
is this some sick joke ?
no sir
sir - i was trying to suggest the duality of man - sir


Its not the Anti AA Movement that......

Its not the Anti AA Movement or Orange Papers that screwed up my mind, it was the stepper cult. All the Anti AA Movement and Orange Papers did was to at last open my mind to the sordid truth about that off- shoot of the Oxford Group we NOT very affectionally call the stepper cult. It was not the Anti AA movement or Orange Papers that caused my great friend and sponsor Eric to become another AA suicide statistic, I believe and I know I cant prove it , but I strongly believe it was the false fear-mongering stepper cult indoctrination that made him take his own life.

The Anti AA Movement

Many times I have wondered if my posts on the OPF have made deprogramming from the stepper cult worse instead better for people. I have been accused of playing into the stepper cults hands and this was never my intention and has often caused me much agonising and thought and I have wondered should I actually relate to others my experiences and thoughts on what happened to me? Perhaps doing so may do more harm than good.

Where does the US Court System sentence violent criminals to go?

US Court system sentences people to just jails or prison.
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US Court system sentences people to jails or prison and then AA/NA/12Step for after care
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US Court System sentences people to AA/NA/12Step being promoted by AAWS and its off shoots usually as probation or parole
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US Court system sentences people to Star Bucks
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US Court system sentences people to the grocery store
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US Court System sentences people to go to church against the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution
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US Court system sentences people to search out new prospects for AA/NA/12Step
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Other -please explain in comments
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Recognition of The Source of The Problem

This whole exercise smacks of a PR exercise. I doubt much will be achieved by it, but at least it highlights one of the main sources of the addiction problem in the US:

Note - "80% of addicted persons start with a legally prescribed drug"

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Joining AA is like joining the Mafia.

Anywhere you go in the world you have family. But if you leave, you die.
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Fatal Shooting at Anchorage Alaska Spenard club (Alano Club) AA General Service Area 2 District 7 July 2015

APD investigating fatal shooting at Spenard club

By Devin Kelly July 18, 2015

A young man died in a shooting at a Spenard club early Saturday morning, Anchorage police said.

Police said 18-year-old Alex Thanapong Yu was killed at about 1:20 a.m. at the Alano Club, a sober club on Spenard Road.

Steps 1-5 of the anything but AA way of life......

Step #1 of the anything but AA view of life.......

I (None of this WE nonsense) decided and declared that I am NOT powerless-that things got out of hand because I was hurting internally because something wasn't right and I now realize that dependent using is not a terribly efficient, healthy nor satisfying response to life.

Step #2 of the anything but AA view of life.......


DICTIONARY SAYS- someone who is going a different way/direction.=
everyone plays follow the leader
leader is pushed from behind-thinks they push cause they know where he is going
they follow thinking he knows where we should,could go ,but then
someone appears who is going opposite way.
people ASSUME-fucktard,fckng a***hole,fckng nuts,
yet where are they alll going and in such a hurry??
Death awaits all.In end death takes each person away.

So if God is a doorknob.....Is Jesus the son of a doorknob?

Yes absolutley....AA saved my life and sanity etc blah! blah! blah!
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LOL....what a crock of shite this 12 step nonsense really is
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Participation and conversion to the AA faith should be called "Cult-ditioning"

Might raise a few eyebrows if that term is used when people are sentenced to AA.

"We Were Powerless"........Say what?!!!!

Ok, for most of you guys that know me, you realize that my #1 pet peeve with all things 12 Step is that they DON’T WORK and are so counter intuitive, illogical, disempowering and are basically just downright full of shit!
So that being said, today I’m going to debunk one of the Sheeple’s top idiotic lines of defense;
That being, that whenever you point out how absolutely ludicrous, false and evil Step One is because it tells people that they are powerless, they come back with the stupid response of “Ah, but it ways we WERE powerless”…..

"Pennsylvania Seeks to Close Books on "Kids for Cash" Scandal" - anyone that has not come forward should do so now

The PA Child Care youth detention center in Pittston, Pennsaylvania, where children were sent to serve terms after being caught up in the "kids for cash" scheme. Matt Rourke / AP

Pennsylvania Seeks to Close Books on "Kids for Cash" Scandal

by Jon Schuppe Aug 12 2015, 5:45 pm ET

Where would you tell a person targeted as a "Prospect" for Alcoholics Anonymous or any 12 Step cult to go to learn how to respond, resist and get the cult fanatics out of their lives on the internet?
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Both and
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Other - please explain where and why in the comment section.
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Total votes: 4

Are you bored?

Are you all just sitting here sucking on janus' dick still? If you are bored/tired of that, you might be able to actually help someone over here.

I have a question

Is God as we understand Him willing to prevent “Alcoholism” but just not able? then He can’t be omnipotent “The same as God” right? Or is he able to prevent “Alcoholism” but just not willing? Then he must be malevolent, “All powerful”? Or is he neither able to prevent “Alcoholism” nor willing to prevent “Alcoholism” in which case why do we call him God? Soberman


We don't need no stinking psychs nor therapists.
came to BELIEVE HP SAUCE could cure alll mental disorders.
Denial surely tis true as COMORBIDITY for over 50%
means that they will neer get help from any genuine PROFESSIONAL
since goddddddddddd
group o diseased,dishonest,dumbassed,devious,degenerate,disgusting,demented,drunkards
will cure whateer ails you.don't need no stinking professionals
OMG what could someone with decades of experience
minimum of one decade of study of min/ unbalanced minds

The Myth About AA and Suicide

Alcoholism, along with other mental health conditions increases the risk of suicide. As you can see from the article below, Russia has one of the highest suicide rates in the world (along with one of the worst alcohol problems):


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